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#1 Purebob

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 09:30 AM

A chap showed up to our caravan site in a blue TVR tuscan on Saturday, and I blagged a short drive. Really quick summary:

Exterior not to my personal taste - a bit 'manga' IMO - but in TVRs equivalent of Europa blue it did look lovely. Enormous wheels do it justice.

The interior is well coachbuilt if overstyled for my taste. The pedals were strangely positioned for me, although I understand you can adjust the pedal box on these.

Door shuts with a decent thunk. Seat comfy if a bit narrow-hipped.

Start it up BLOODY HELL !! The engine is LEVIATHAN ! The car shudders and rumbles as the engine catches and fires. The blap of the exhaust makes my nape tingle as it falls to idle. Marvellous ! thumbsup

Pootle out onto the teeny Welsh lane and the steering feels fine, the throttle pedal has a hugely long travel and its difficult to crawl without kangaroo jumping. Ride seems fine at 30 mph. Brakes are powerful but lacking a bit of feel at low speeds - like pinching a brick in mole grips - you know theres some serious pressure, but you're never sure quite how much.

Out onto the main road and I hoof it - FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKK! :o The whole car snaps to attention and snakes in line behind that monstrous engine ! Its is a snarling, bellowing thing - it really feels like it is some barely tamed mythical beast rather than a mechanical thing - a lord of the rings extra perhaps - harnessed for some malevolent purpose. The torque is a tad less immediate than I'd expected but press that looooong thrittle pedal down and the power slaps in like Thor's hammer, slapping down a challenge to the rear tyres to grip, and to me to hold on without backing off.

Gearchange is a little obstructive and I soon learn not to back off throttle too much when changing gear to avoid the kangaroo motion once more. Third gear acceleration is devastating - not just fast but a truly visceral and dramatic, affecting experience, like witnessing a Tornado or Volcano first hand. Amazing - I am left breathless !

I change up to fourth and I'm running out of road at a very illegal speed indeed - gentle bends become tight apexes at that speed, and credit to the car it steers predictably and admirably despite the engine's best efforts to snap it offline. I back off as we approach Newtown and swing it around a roundaboit in third to go back the way we came. The arse gives up gripping under protest and swings wide, complaining loudly. I have never ever applied opposite lock in normal driving in 22 years of driving ( in perfect driving conditions like these) but I have to today and the Tuscan responds as if I have just applied a normal mechanical device. I hammer up through second third again, my guts being lifted in my abdomen until I change up. The violence of the acceleration and the whole experience is something I could not of imagined. The engine bellows and snorts with genuine malevolence, and the whole car resonates with the effort of harnessing it.

I backed off poof , short shifted into fourth and cruised back under a ton feeling the car handle the bends. In truth it is nowhere near the communicator that the VX is - steering only REALLY works when coupled with throttle inputs, and the ride is fidgety, and you're only ever a toe-press or lift away from fatal over- or under-steer.

I thrum back onto the caravan site main car park and stop. I am grinnng like a loon. The owner ( Imnotworthy Mike Marsh - you are a star mate ! THANKS ! thumbsup ) steps out of the p-side and asks what I think.

I tell him its wonderful, brilliant, fantastic because its his pride and joy and he's just let me spank it for fourteen miles !. thumbsup

In truth, my opinion is more complex.

Being critical the car is really an engine with a car tacked on. That wonderful engine dictates every part of the Tuscan experience, handling, braking, steering, everything. In raw 'handling' terms, my VX has it whooped - as a means of enjoying what the road throws at you, the VX reigns supreme. The meld of driver/car and conditions is nowhere near that offered by the VX. However it is a fine handling car even when trailing the throttle by almost any standards and makes our 200SX feel like a tippy-toes barge by comparison.

However.....as a driving experience I don't know if there is a better one on earth. It would take a dead peron to not be thrilled by piloting that mastodon power unit, the drama, presence, even spirit of the engine affected me at a level below the waist and behind conscious thought.

The Tuscan is as brutal as the VX is delicate; as primal as the VX is refined. It tries to throw you off where the VX warns well in advance of any trouble. It is a ballbreaker, while the VX is a sweetheart. It is Metallica to the VX's Stone Roses.

I never thought I'd ever consider swapping the VX for anything but theres definitely a 'hmmmm' daemon running in my brain now that I need to deal with :blink:

Absolutely impractical, nearly unexploitable on road or track the Tuscan is a magnificent, bestial monster that made me desire it in spite of those things. Somebody tell me how stupid I am to consider one......please!

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 11:44 AM

Don't do it pb! :o But what a car - I'd love one :D

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 12:15 PM

oi dumb ass! wake up and smell my cheese!

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 12:16 PM

Super Review chinky chinky

it really feels like it is some barely tamed mythical beast rather than a mechanical thing - a lord of the rings extra perhaps


:lol:

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 12:23 PM

Good review thumbsup great car, but TVR build quality makes Lotus look good. :P

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 12:27 PM

I think you know deep down that it's a car you love for a few weeks due to the drama and speed, but as you become a little more accustomed to that, it will disappoint in the areas the VX excels. While the VX leaves you grinning on any journey, the Tuscan will only truly please on empty smooth roads where you're sure there's no police presence. You said yourself that you were deep into illegal speeds, and that was on a first drive. It's a four-wheeled licence muncher. I think the Tuscan is like a great gig, whereas the VX is like a supreme album. While a great gig will take you to heights that a recording can't, as you admire the brilliance of the musicians gelling on a level that most of us can hardly comprehend, it's a short, sharp hit. A wonderful album is something for which your appreciation grows over time, as you notice all the little things you had never even heard before - the kind of things that combine to make it the CD you always go back to, time and again. Interestingly, I spoke to the guys at Scared Stiff about one day replacing the VX with a Tuscan. Their response was...don't! They said that in the longer term, you would be very disappointed with the handling of any TVR, that it doesn't come close to the feedback and agility of the VX. They also said that the standard Tuscan is lethal, that the suspension is far too crude for the power. I can see the appeal of a Tuscan, I lust after them. But I wouldn't replace the VX with one unless I started enjoying the straight bits more than the twisty bits. BTW, was it a Tuscan, or Tuscan S? If it was a standard one, I'd love to know what you think of the power of the S :D Edited to say - come down south, or better still come to the SELOC charity event, and have a blast out in mine. While it doesn't sound anything like a stunning as a TVR, the extra noise does make it even more of an event :)

Edited by Jim_Cross, 12 July 2004 - 12:29 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2004 - 03:00 PM

To bring things full circle, we (or rather you) are being talked about on PistonHeads...

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 03:29 PM

Had an interesting run in with a Tuscan on the way back from The Festival of Speed this year. We went in my brother's 2.5 Boxster and had a Tuscan pass us on a B road on the way back, we stayed behind him for a couple of miles as we were both behind a van with no passing places. Anyway, van eventually turns right but not before stopping us both. When van turns TVR gives it everything and so does my brother, suprisingly we stayed right with him up to 70+ but then backed off due to not knowing the road, cameras etc. To be honest we were a bit disappointed as we thought the TVR would have left us for dead but given us a look at what they were capable of. At other times down slip roads etc there is no difference between the performance of my brother's Porsche and my VX NA so considering we were 2 up in the Porsche I think it's safe to speculate that the VX would have been just as game up to 70ish. You've then really got to ask yourself what's the benefit of the TVR. Personally I think they are great but I think you are buying drama. The speed things over-rated without handling. I previously had an M Coupe 0-100 in 10.5 seconds but similar to the TVR it was an engine with a car strapped on. Little fun on back roads and the straight line performance soon became normal. Can't beat a VX for keeping you interested!

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 03:31 PM

Go for it PB, you know you want one !

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 03:34 PM

Great fun car but I've driven one on track and the appeal was very limited.

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 03:57 PM

I checked with Mike, his car's a Tuscan S with 16000 miles on it. Only had a charging problem in two years and very few miles. He wants a go in my VX this weekend - I've never expected someone to be underwhelmed before ! ps I hope its sunny enough to have the roof off. Mike is, erm, quite well stuffed and possibly won't fit in with the roof on. John, I'd guess the Tuscan would'nt be a track tool for connoisseurs- its not that adjustable, although I'd bet its a howl drifting it round bends. The fury and passion of the engine and the driving experience will stay with me for a while though - Jim I agree with much of what you say about the Tuscan but you should've been there to experience it - I would absolutely love to have one in my garage alongside the VX. INSTEAD of though, I dunno.

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 03:58 PM

PB - really enjoyed your mouth watering write up thumbsup I was at Caersws on Saturday morning, 5 mins from Newtown, wishing I was driving my VX instead of a Land Rover ;)

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 04:02 PM

The S is a beautiful car. I came close to buying one instead of the VXT, there's something mighty intoxicating about that engine and the sound..... Performance is nuts, the 0-100 time is up there with the Gallardo and even more expensive machinery and it truly would leave a vxt standing in a straight line. I met one on a DC a while back, rolling start to 70mph wasn't much in it, then he just seemed to leave me standing, this was after my car was tuned too. Build quality is what puts me off though, I could afford the running costs but I'm not sure I'd like to :) Some of those bills are seriously scary. However, the vx certainly has it nailed in feedback and handling terms as you so rightly said. There really is no comparison from that aspect but it always comes back to that engine and the noise......

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 04:04 PM

I've always thought Tuscans are 'emotional' cars, ie you buy them for the feeling they give rather than the sensation, heart over head type wheels really. For going in a straight line quickly there's nothing to beat them methinks but IMO I like going round corners more than I like straight line speed. They are a beautiful car on the road though no mistake.

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 04:12 PM

I like going round corners more than I like straight line speed.

So, why is your car in for Stage 5 then? :P :poke:

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 04:16 PM

John I think you are dead right. Theres no dynamic differentiator for the Tuscan S really, as there are better handling cars for the price and the performance, although enormous, is far more difficult to exploit than some other cars in its price range meaning it probably isn't the best point-to-point tool in its bracket, BUT honestly all those sensible things just blow away when the exhaust bellows like a raging bull and the mid range torque shifts the earth back on its axis as the tyres dig in. Intoxicating stuff. We'll see what Mike thinks of my VX !

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 04:18 PM

John, I'd guess the Tuscan would'nt be a track tool for connoisseurs- its not that adjustable, although I'd bet its a howl drifting it round bends.

......straight into the side of a tree.

As one of my previous friends did, and then promptly sold it.

The tuscan is notorious for it's combination of big power and its inability to transfer it logically to the road.

Just open the magazines and read about the numerous articles about the tuscan being a handfull.

Just when you are confident and sliding the back end around, one of your favourite B-roads will serve up a combination of bumps that will unsettle the car and KAPPPOOOOOOOWWWWW your head ends up in the back end of a cow in the middle of a field.

I would have thought that going from a VX to a Tuscan would probably be one of the most dangerous things you could do. The VX is dynamically one of the best cars on the road (and will soak up anything our mighty B-roads throw at them). The tuscan, will not soak them up, it will just throw you off the road once you have built up your confidence.

cheers

PS: at least it would be better looking than the VX until you wrap it round a tree :P

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 04:18 PM

Oh hell yeah, don't get me wrong - I'd have one to go along with the VX if I could afford one. I'd dearly love to have a go in one (as long as it's dry ;)) just to experience the drama and the speed. And I reckon I'd probably be as bowled over by it as you were, start having unfaithful thoughts etc. But when the head starts taking over from the heart, and you start thinking about what it is about driving that makes you tick most of the time, you realise that it still wouldn't provide as much satisfaction as the VX. I reckon you could get a lot of enjoyment out of it, but on a different level and under different conditions to the VX. Problem with owning both would be when to take which one?

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 05:01 PM

at least it would be better looking than the VX


Thats where we disagree GB, I LOVE the VX styling almost as much as a 246 Dino, while the Tuscan S is a bit 'sci fi comic' for my taste. I can't really comment on your handling experiences, I found the Tuscan very stable unless provoked by more than touching the throttle! (although I was driving at around 5/10ths which is a total waste of time).

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Posted 12 July 2004 - 05:26 PM

Great review Purebob, I was grinning after reading it, can only imagine the size of the smile on your face after experiencing it first hand!




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