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#121 Nev

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:19 AM

It was $2 to the £ in around 2007.

 

Knife crime in the US is still worse than ours.

 

I've personally observed the £ declining against most of the other major currencies for decades now, Brexit (and a long enduring aftermath) is going to make that decline faster IMO. For instance, when I went to Switzerland this year I was staggered by the price of food, honestly it was dramatically expensive. Yet when I was a young child we used to holiday there and not really notice the costs.
 

The crazy US gun/knife crime stats are city based I'm sure, so long as you don't chose to move to down-town Chigago etc I doubt one would notice it TBH.


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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:26 AM

Rose spectacles again. Life in rural US is damned hard for the people who live there with no jobs, poor town and county funding and infrastructure that in place borders on 3rd world etc. Again, it's about wealth and job.

I love the US. It's stunningly beautiful in many places. But if you want quality of life you need to be urban, unless you want to live a remote life.

However. As I said good luck. What car would you have there? Some wonderful roads.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:31 AM

As someone else said.

 

I are Blue, I are remain... WHAT THE fcuk DO I DO?!!?!??!?!??

Half tempted to just not fcuking vote, which is a crime imho



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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:42 AM

You vote Blue as Corbyn will just fook you over more anyway, unless you are:

 

1. Unemployed currently (you will be soon into Corbyn's reign anyway)

2. Employed in an industry that is heavily unionised - as they will make sure you keep a job right until the industry fails because they have made it non competitive

3. In education - cos you my son are going to get all sorts of free stuff thrownj at you under Corbyn so why would you not want to be in education

 

Brexit will happen, so vote Blue, let's get it done, and move on.



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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:57 AM

I are Blue, I are remain... WHAT THE fcuk DO I DO?!!?!??!?!??


The tactical voting sites are telling me to vote Labour in my constituency. There's just no way that's viable for me. I'd rather have the hardest of hard brexits than put my cross anywhere near those lunatics (and they'll be even more lunatic after this election now they've binned off most of the remaining New Labour types).

I'd vote for whatever tree hugging numpty the Greens put up but that's just likely to mean the current Labour guy gets back in.

Rock and a hard place.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:47 PM

 

I are Blue, I are remain... WHAT THE fcuk DO I DO?!!?!??!?!??


The tactical voting sites are telling me to vote Labour in my constituency. There's just no way that's viable for me. I'd rather have the hardest of hard brexits than put my cross anywhere near those lunatics (and they'll be even more lunatic after this election now they've binned off most of the remaining New Labour types).

I'd vote for whatever tree hugging numpty the Greens put up but that's just likely to mean the current Labour guy gets back in.

Rock and a hard place.

 

 

I recall at one time there was a  christian party... I'd vote for those mad bastards before any of the non blue rest :lol:



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Posted 13 November 2019 - 03:43 PM

Might just be plaid cymru for me, they are the only ones who've not said anything yet and so have not pissed me off with their policies

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 04:13 PM

Might just be plaid cymru for me, they are the only ones who've not said anything yet and so have not pissed me off with their policies

David Price has been winding my Welsh mates up something rotten!



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Posted 13 November 2019 - 06:06 PM


Might just be plaid cymru for me, they are the only ones who've not said anything yet and so have not pissed me off with their policies

David Price has been winding my Welsh mates up something rotten!
What's been published do far looks ok to me!

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 06:34 PM

There's an intended voting poll over on Seloc.

The results are very interesting putting the Libdems in first place followed by the Conservatives in second. Not exactly a representative cross section but I would have expected a strong Conservative lead.

Imagine if they got in they'd be crapping themselves!

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM

There's an intended voting poll over on Seloc.

The results are very interesting putting the Libdems in first place followed by the Conservatives in second. Not exactly a representative cross section but I would have expected a strong Conservative lead.

Imagine if they got in they'd be crapping themselves!

Can we do one? I'm sure we're more representative of the population than the toffs on seloc

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:03 PM

 


 

 For instance, when I went to Switzerland this year I was staggered by the price of food, honestly it was dramatically expensive. Yet when I was a young child we used to holiday there and not really notice the costs.
 

 

 

 

Switzerland devauled their franc of their own accord, nothing to do with value against the pound.

 

Value of Euro vs Pound was not a true economical viable long term rate, say of 10-15 years ago, and it was an opportunity to make hay abroad, and why the europeans came over to build her, and One of the reasons why we didnt join the euro in either Blairs or Majors years

 

Its value now approx 1.15 reflects its true base and the profits have gone along with the foriegn investors, its all about greed.



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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:40 PM

 

There's an intended voting poll over on Seloc.

The results are very interesting putting the Libdems in first place followed by the Conservatives in second. Not exactly a representative cross section but I would have expected a strong Conservative lead.

Imagine if they got in they'd be crapping themselves!

Can we do one? I'm sure we're more representative of the population than the toffs on seloc

 

 

Done

 

http://www.vx220.org...in-the-2019-ge/

 

If a Mod could edit my stupid typo in the title that would be great :D 



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Posted 14 November 2019 - 07:06 PM

 

 

 

 



The reality is, except for Labour (and a bit of blackmailing SNP) who are trying to obfuscate because their position is so confused, it's a single issue election whether we like it, or not.

To spin off with the mention of SNP, how long will the SNP last if they dont get their second once in a lifetime referendum, from anything i have read, Scotland has been as bad as us in recent years with regards to a single issue election to the detriment of the services and governance etc?
And I suspect Scotland cannot afford independence, oil revenues dwindling and moving away from an oil economy anyway
That won’t stop the lunatics that run their party!

And of course if they cannot afford independence, then they are currently a financial drain on England and Wales, so cut them loose?

 

Ivor scotland is one of the richest places on earth, hence the reason englands been stealing our wealth from our resources for years and will continue to do so for years to come, hence the need for independance for scotland !! As for being a drain on england where the hell do you get that idea from? What are englands resourses? Please inform me how you will support yourselves when we leave? What have you got ...shame on anyone voting tory 50 years and all they have done is multiply the national debt!!  We are a drain? Dont make me fcuking laugh!! If we were a fcuking drain we would be independant years ago...just think about that. so lets hear it ...

 



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Posted 14 November 2019 - 07:16 PM

Interesting interview on C4 news re NHS, after Boris blamed demand for the poor performance figures. Chair of BMC basically saying the NHS does not have the necessary infrastructure

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 07:55 PM

Total tosh.

 

Scotland is not one of the richest places in the world. It has limited resources - Oil and Gas has been a boom but it is not on the scale of the middle east, Venezuala, etc. In fact, the UK, which includes Scotland, ranks 30th in the world I believe on the Oil and Gas scale.  Coal - the UK is 19th and the majority of that coal was in England and Wales not Scotland.  Rare earth minerals? Gold? Cobalt? Skilled workforce running into millions?  Millions of graudates being turned out every year to drive the skills economy? Nope, nadder really. Nowhere near one of the richest countries in the world if by richness you are talking about economy/wealth creation/etc as opposed to beauty, space, fresh air, scenery, quality of life.

 

It has land. Plenty of land. Some forestry but a lot of the land is not suitable for forestry, or agriculture, that largely being in the North East, central belt and Borders.

 

It has beautiful countryside. Lovely mountains. Superb lochs and rivers. Wonderful coastline.  But then all that space and beauty means that public services get stretched over a greater distance. So schooling, health, policing etc all gets more expensive to deliver per capita.  Scotland has its control of its own tax raising powers and now the shits hitting the fan as they have realised that in grabbing it from Westminster they got their sums wrong!  Oh sh*t, we're fooked....

 

The largest companies are looking to leave on independence, the RBS, SSE, all have stated they will have to leave. sh*t loads of higher tax payers like me, who are not tied to the oil industry in the North East, will likely leave too - as long as Corbyn is not in Westminster. Jeez, I work with more Scots who live in England than I do with Scots who live in Scotland!  If it's such a great place why do so many Scots leave to go to England? They go there. They make their money. They come back to retire. If it was one of the richest countries in the world they wouldn't have to leave.

 

Scotland's a great place. But so is Wales, Ireland and believe it or not England. I truly believe in the power of the union to drive wealth across the UK. Scotland has done well out of it, so has England. If anything it is Wales that has suffered the most.  Starting to get sick and fooking tired of all the kilted posturing and moaning these days. Maybe we would be better off split.  59m in England. 5m in Scotland. 2.5m in Wales. Just left to get on with it and a big fooking wall down the middle from a trade and tax perspective with your biggest trading partner. Yeah great stuff big mon! Super rich we'll all be.

 


Edited by C8RKH, 14 November 2019 - 07:56 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2019 - 07:24 AM

Total tosh.

Scotland is not one of the richest places in the world. It has limited resources - Oil and Gas has been a boom but it is not on the scale of the middle east, Venezuala, etc. In fact, the UK, which includes Scotland, ranks 30th in the world I believe on the Oil and Gas scale. Coal - the UK is 19th and the majority of that coal was in England and Wales not Scotland. Rare earth minerals? Gold? Cobalt? Skilled workforce running into millions? Millions of graudates being turned out every year to drive the skills economy? Nope, nadder really. Nowhere near one of the richest countries in the world if by richness you are talking about economy/wealth creation/etc as opposed to beauty, space, fresh air, scenery, quality of life.

It has land. Plenty of land. Some forestry but a lot of the land is not suitable for forestry, or agriculture, that largely being in the North East, central belt and Borders.

It has beautiful countryside. Lovely mountains. Superb lochs and rivers. Wonderful coastline. But then all that space and beauty means that public services get stretched over a greater distance. So schooling, health, policing etc all gets more expensive to deliver per capita. Scotland has its control of its own tax raising powers and now the shits hitting the fan as they have realised that in grabbing it from Westminster they got their sums wrong! Oh sh*t, we're fooked....

The largest companies are looking to leave on independence, the RBS, SSE, all have stated they will have to leave. sh*t loads of higher tax payers like me, who are not tied to the oil industry in the North East, will likely leave too - as long as Corbyn is not in Westminster. Jeez, I work with more Scots who live in England than I do with Scots who live in Scotland! If it's such a great place why do so many Scots leave to go to England? They go there. They make their money. They come back to retire. If it was one of the richest countries in the world they wouldn't have to leave.

Scotland's a great place. But so is Wales, Ireland and believe it or not England. I truly believe in the power of the union to drive wealth across the UK. Scotland has done well out of it, so has England. If anything it is Wales that has suffered the most. Starting to get sick and fooking tired of all the kilted posturing and moaning these days. Maybe we would be better off split. 59m in England. 5m in Scotland. 2.5m in Wales. Just left to get on with it and a big fooking wall down the middle from a trade and tax perspective with your biggest trading partner. Yeah great stuff big mon! Super rich we'll all be.

Well said, I started to write but you've put it far better than I can, BBC news in Aberdeen this morning, interviewing people about the election. bar 1 , all interviewees are non Scots, the one scotsman interviewed so far is running a small Gin Company, ironic

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:46 PM

Free broadband for all under a Labour Govt .........................................by 2030

 

Why the fcuk can’t these interviewers tell the idiots Corbyn & McDonnell that this is just an empty meaningless phrase just to secure votes. They have to be still in power by 2030 firstly and secondly, all these so called politicians should be left in no doubt that Joe Public is only interested in what they can achieve during the next Govt term, which is likely to be less than 2 years

 

Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbot running (ruining) this country, god preserve us. At 66 I’m not too old to emigrate and will be seriously looking into it should my worst nightmare become reality!

 

McDonnell says all Labour bullshit is fully costed. Free broadband will cost £20bn and will be paid for by “adjusting” the tax regime on multinational companies. BT say the figure is nearer £100bn but, whoever is correct doesn’t matter since McDonnell’s figures will be fcucked by companies moving out of the U.K. and having to pay more in benefits due to increasing unemployment.

 

We are all held ransom to the personal whims of politicians more that we’ve ever been.



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Posted 15 November 2019 - 04:53 PM

Free broadband for all under a Labour Govt .........................................by 2030

 

Why the fcuk can’t these interviewers tell the idiots Corbyn & McDonnell that this is just an empty meaningless phrase just to secure votes.

 

I watched Andrew Neil tear apart Jon Ashworth and some SNP candidate the other day, they were both like rabbits caught in headlights.

 

Jon Ashworth just couldnt answer that the vast sum of money Labour pledged was as a % pretty much on a lower level low par % with previous pm's and no answer to why we would spend an extra 500 million on drugs from america when 90% of our supplies come from the EU.

 

The SNP guy was priceless, he kept repeating, the snp have made it very clear, to every question, with regards to currency if they won the independence vote, the snp have made it very clear they are going to use the £, he wouldnt answer why they wont use the euro, just they have made it very clear they are going to use the £ and they wont have to follow interest or inflation rates, on both fronts like they would have a choice.


Edited by Jetpilot, 15 November 2019 - 04:54 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2019 - 05:05 PM

Anyone care to let me know of any policies from any of the parties that they actually believe will be delivered?

All I see is false promises. No surprises there then!

Tories : we will spend money, honest! This comes after they cut services to shreds.

Labour : we will spend loads of money, apparent bottomless pit of money. They must have a big ol sofa. Usual tax the rich mantra.

Lib Dem’s : who cares?




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