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#1 pincher

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 08:53 PM

Been looking around for some Insurance as mine runs out within the next month and unfortunately Chris Knott don't cater for trackdays, so I thought I'd post up my findings.

These are all based on my personal circumstances (age, location, NCB, modifications etc etc), so will almost certainly be different for yourself, should you wish to make use of any of the numbers. All quotes are based on the car being valued at £8500 which I thought was pretty much a middle of the road figure.

First off, I called Heritage (0845 330 0660), as I have noted that some people on here either currently use them, or have done so in the past. Their quote came out at £580 with a £300 excess. I need to find out if there are any restrictions on the number of trackdays that this covers and whether it is limited to the UK or if it covers Europe as well. Also need to confirm with them whether the £300 excess covers both road and track use. Not a bad start I thought.

Next up was HIC - they were way out of the game at £737 - once I was told the amount I didn't bother listening to much of the spiel regarding T&C's, so couldn't tell you what their excess was!

I then got a couple of recommendations from people over on PH - the first was Richard Egger Insurance (0115 985 0165). They were very friendly and asked if I was a member of any clubs and knew about vx220.org and LoT and we had a bit of banter about Walshy, which was a good start. Their quote came in at £503.91 and includes 4 trackdays. These can either be all in the UK, as long as they are with approved organisers (i.e. LoT, MSV, GoldTrack, Book-a-Track etc), or you can have 3 UK days and 1 European day. The only restriction on the European day is that they won't cover Spa or the 'Ring. You can pay for further days at a cost of 0.75% of the value of the car (so in my case £63.75).
Their excess was £300 for the road and 10% of the value of the car for the track, with a minimum of £1000.

Another PH recommendation was Competition Car Insurance (0115 941 5255). I knew this name as I have used them before but had always assumed that they just did trackday-only insurance - I wasn't aware that they did 'normal' cover as well. Spoke to a very nice chap and was again asked if I was a member of any clubs. I can remember that he definitely recognised LoT but not sure about vx220.org (sorry!). Their quote was even cheaper that Richard Egger at £461.62 and also includes 4 Trackdays, on the same basis as RE. The only subtle difference here is that for the European day, it seems that any FIA approved track is excluded, not just Spa & the 'Ring. Additional cover is also available at a cost of £5 per £1000 value of car, with a minimum of £75. The road excess here is slightly less at £250 but the track excess is £2000 :o

Both the above are for Accidental Damage only on track i.e. you only get paid for your car to be repaired. As far as I can gather this is fairly normal, as it seems that usual trackday etiquette (should you crash into, or be crashed into) is to claim off your own insurance. I stand to be corrected but I think there may have been a test case at some point where someone attempted to claim from someone else's trackday insurance but the judge threw it out as he said that trackdays were not subject to normal insurance conditions as disclaimers are usually signed etc etc. Not too sure of the details but I'm sure its on the Net somewhere!

So to summarise, even though they aren't the cheapest initially, I may well end up going with Richard Eggar - mainly due to the difference in trackday excess between them and CCI, as well as the fact that additional days are also cheaper.

I do have another number to ring but when I tried today, I got the answerphone - I'll try again another day and report back what they say.

Hopefully this may be of some help to someone at some point in the future when hunting around for insurance with trackday cover included thumbsup

Edited by pincher, 16 December 2008 - 08:54 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2008 - 09:54 PM

dont forget to try AON

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 10:03 PM

I did actually try AON (Select?) - got passed around to various departments and then finally to a company called Footman James who have apparently taken over all AON's new business. And guess what, they don't cover trackdays :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 10:09 PM

Heritage is unlimited club (VX220.org/LoT) organised track days both UK and European. I think it was £60 per event for public trackdays with other organisers. They didn't mention any exclusion of the Ring or Spa but I'd check that to be sure before relying on my hazy memory.

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 09:41 AM

Competition car insurance insure the vx (na) for just under £500 inc four free TDs.

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 11:08 AM

Competition car insurance insure the vx (na) for just under £500 inc four free TDs.


£461 for me (see my OP) :D

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 07:43 PM

Heritage the excess rises to £1500 for track days...which I think is fairly normal. As said before its unlimited numbers of days but only with a car club organised track day I would assume that excludes booka track and the like which in effect really means LoT only as VX220.org doesn't organise track days very often. Still i went for them as I didn't want to be limited to only 4 a year and do most of my dyas through LT anyway. Oh and i'm sure that included europe.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 04:40 PM

Just a little update for you - I rang round the companies I got quotes from again and it seems there are a few more exclusions when I pressed them!

Competition Car Insurance, who were the cheapest quote, said they they specifically exclude the following tracks from the track cover - Barcelona, Spa, Le Mans, Paul Ricard, Zolder, Magny-Cours & Zandvoort. For me that isn't really much of an issue as I'm unlikely to ever go on any of those. However, I said that I had booked Croix & Abbevville through LoT and wanted assurances that I would be covered. They went away to double-check and came back to say that they didn't have agreements in place with wither of those tracks, which is a real pain in the backside. They did say that they were having some sort of meeting at the end of this month where they hoped to be able to include more tracks but as my insurance is due at the weekend I can't really take the chance.

Onto Heritage - again I asked them to re-confirm what is & isn't covered. They said the 'Ring was specifically excluded, so I told them about the French double-header. They went away to check and said that there would be an additional premium of £75 per day for track cover! :0

My contact at Richard Eggar has gone home for the day, so I will update this again tomorrow when I have spoken to her.

I guess the moral is, if you have road insurance that includes trackday cover, and especially if you are with Heritage, you should very carefully check what cover you have, as opposed to what you think you have, especially if you are planning on some French away-days with LoT!!

I think I might actually call them both again tomorrow to see if I get the same story, except that I will ask them which European tracks are included rather than excluded.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 05:05 PM

Onto Heritage - again I asked them to re-confirm what is & isn't covered. They said the 'Ring was specifically excluded, so I told them about the French double-header. They went away to check and said that there would be an additional premium of £75 per day for track cover! :0


Strange. Clastres and Abbeville were both covered at no extra charge in October, when I went. Rang them up, told them the tracks (though, they'd unsurprisingly, never heard of Clastres) and told them it was a LoT day and no problem, cover was extended. Had it been a non-LoT day, they would have wanted £75. Did you tell them it was a LoT day?

I'll call them in the morning and check with them about Croix and Abbeville....

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 05:10 PM

If you could, I'd be grateful - might mean the difference between me going with them or Richard Eggar thumbsup

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 10:44 AM

Just spoken to Heritage again and they seemingly have a new process in place whereby any new policies are charged an additional premium for European trackdays (effective from January 09 onwards). Any exisitng policies already running will have the European cover included, up until policy renewal time.

I must admit that I didn't ask if exisitng policy holders would be exempt from this exclusion if they renew, so those of you with Heritage should probably get clarification on this sooner rather than later and definitely don't just hand over your money, on the assumption that you will be getting the same coverage as you have enjoyed in the past!!

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 10:49 AM

Had it been a non-LoT day, they would have wanted £75.

When I took my policy out with Heritage they said that they covered Club trackdays not just LoT ie the VX220 National would be covered too.
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Posted 08 January 2009 - 10:53 AM

Had it been a non-LoT day, they would have wanted £75.

When I took my policy out with Heritage they said that they covered Club trackdays not just LoT ie the VX220 National would be covered too.
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And that was only last at the end of November just gone. I'm sure they said including europe too.

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 11:10 AM

I'm sure they said including europe too.

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 11:24 AM

I'm sure they said including europe too.

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That seems to be for exisitng policies though - you might find that changes when you com to renew :(

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 02:01 PM

bttt Got to renew the VXR - any of the above mod friendly and do they replace mods if listed (eg proalloy cc and rad?) Read that some ins. co's. wont cough up for the bits and the PA stuff is pricey!....

Edited by cheeky_chops, 13 January 2009 - 02:02 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2009 - 02:16 PM

bttt

Got to renew the VXR - any of the above mod friendly and do they replace mods if listed (eg proalloy cc and rad?) Read that some ins. co's. wont cough up for the bits and the PA stuff is pricey!....



CCI took on all my mods with 4 trackdays included thumbsup


PS I submitted copy invoices, and details and prices of all the non standard parts, also sent photos of the car. Bloody frightening when you add it all up !

Edited by jasvxt, 13 January 2009 - 02:19 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2009 - 03:55 PM

I submitted copy invoices, and details and prices of all the non standard parts, also sent photos of the car. Bloody frightening when you add it all up !


I burnt all my invoices - if the missus found them, i'd be frightened! :o

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 06:22 PM

heritage would only insure my vxr if i had a tracker fitted thumbsdown so i went with cci




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