21 replies to this topic

[GeorgeBC]

Has anybody fitted the thorney cc? Whats the verdict? What are the disadvantages of it over CMS cc? This has been asked but in a different thread and didnt get a response. http://www.thorneymo...osCsid=nyasfdgn

[slindborg]

Has anybody fitted the thorney cc? Whats the verdict? What are the disadvantages of it over CMS cc? This has been asked but in a different thread and didnt get a response.

http://www.thorneymo...osCsid=nyasfdgn

small sh** and overpriced compared to the Proalloy setup.

[MrSimba]

LOL! ask DG or Jaylin to comment on the TMS CC set up!!!

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

That said though, at the right price it could be used to mod your car with great sucess! Might not be as good as the Pro-Alloy setup but it will still be able to do what you need it for! My tip would be to buy it and replace the pre-rad for the larger volume Pro Alloy one which will boost it;s performance significantly!! DO IT!

[chrisgold]

Has anybody fitted the thorney cc? Whats the verdict? What are the disadvantages of it over CMS cc? This has been asked but in a different thread and didnt get a response.

http://www.thorneymo...osCsid=nyasfdgn

small sh** and overpriced compared to the Proalloy setup.

Yes I think TMS use a shitty charge cooler along with the standard intercooler. (standard intercooler makes up for the sh** charge cooler, or other way round....)

you would be getter off buying a cheap universal kit something like this (below) and fitting it your self rather than a TMS! Piece of p*ss to fit! Save a fortune!

http://www.chargecoo...products_id=203

hats pretty much just the first one I googled, may be able to get one cheaper and more suitable.

When looking at charge coolers, make sure you ask what pressure drop in psi they create, the pro alloy one causes a drop of approx 2-3 psi, which is quite a lot to be honest.... Some are as low of a drop as the 0.1 psi etc.

Edited by chrisgold, 17 October 2011 - 09:17 PM.

[GeorgeBC]

Whats so bad about it? Can anybody thats used one comment? It states it was used in the 375bhp race car and i only want to be getting near the 300bhp mark. Cheers MrSimba i have PM'd Duncan for some advise, you sound like you know though so you want to PM me whilst i wait for his reply? Jimmy i cant find the pre rad on the pro alloy website, just the full kit. How much is it? If i was doing this it would probably not be far off the price of the pro alloy kit so i would just spend the extra. Chris i want to go with a proven kit if i can but cheers for the link

[chrisgold]

Chris i want to go with a proven kit if i can but cheers for the link

TMS CC is proven to be sh** (I believe this is because = you get loads of lag as your slowing the air down twice, once with an intercooler and then with the charge cooler, also they splice the pipework so much to do this that the intake pipework diameter is reduced and a lot of added points of failure)

What im saying is just match the components they use, same pump, rad and CC. You leave in your standard IC and the CC goes after the IC (need to move your intake temp sensor to after the CC) prob only cost you £600 parts, thats all they have done, but they charge what £1200 plus what, probs £750 fitting???

You like to throw money away go for it.

Why not get pro alloy to make you a smaller charge cooler? that you can use along with your current IC exactly as TMS do!

Edited by chrisgold, 17 October 2011 - 10:18 PM.

[GeorgeBC]

Chris i want to go with a proven kit if i can but cheers for the link

TMS CC is proven to be sh**

What in saying is just match the components they use, same pump, rad and CC. You leave in your standard IC and the CC goes after the IC (need to move your intake temp sensor to after the CC) prob only cost you £600 parts, thats all they have done, but they charge what £1200 plus what, probs £750 fitting???

You like to throw money away go for it.

Why not get pro alloy to make you a smaller charge cooler? that you can use along with your current IC exactly as TMS do!

Ive read reviews and i cant find anyone that really slates it but most stuff is a few years old. I dont like throwing money away hence me asking others opinions before i buy the expensive but proven pro alloy kit. Just like ive read the reviews and spoken to people about a stage 4 intercooler. If i was in a rush to waste money my car would of been stage 4 early this year but instead im reading reviews and asking questions ready to get more power over the winter.

And i know its time consuming to fit so whichever kit i go for ill be doing the work my self then taking it somewhere for a remap

Edited by georgebc, 17 October 2011 - 10:24 PM.

[Winstar]

TMS CC is proven to be sh** (I believe this is because = you get loads of lag as your slowing the air down twice, once with an intercooler and then with the charge cooler, also they splice the pipework so much to do this that the intake pipework diameter is reduced and a lot of added points of failure)

No it won't lag is a function of the volume of the cooler a certain bigger IC will increase lag more. The additional cooler and section changes will increase the pressure drop but that will reduce the boost seen by the engine.

As for the performance then I agree with sling the proalloy one represents much better value for money however if you can pick one up cheap then on my old car (was T2VXT's and now P11COV's) the difference was about 10bhp between the TMS set up and the Proalloy. The only thing to make sure is that he temp sensor is relocated to after the CC as this wasn't done on the early installs

As for CC rad it's shouldn't need the bigger one as it won't be putting anywhere near as much heat into the water than the proalloy setup

[GeorgeBC]

This is a mine field and i cant help but think what ever i decide to go for ill end up regretting. Ill wait to here from Duncan. Whilst doing a search i did notice he had a thread selling a TMS CC and no one posted, didnt think that was a good sign. Cheers for the advise and opinions! Keep them coming.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

This is a mine field and i cant help but think what ever i decide to go for ill end up regretting. Ill wait to here from Duncan. Whilst doing a search i did notice he had a thread selling a TMS CC and no one posted, didnt think that was a good sign.

Cheers for the advise and opinions! Keep them coming.

My advice....

1, Listen to Winstar
2, I was basing my comments on the assumption that you'd found a second hand unit cheap and was looking to use that. If you're buying new I wouldn't buy the TMS one. If one was on ebay for a few hundred quid go for it and improve it! As for Pro Alloy pre-rad - I think Joe has some for sale!

[Duncan VXR]

PM replied Sorry for the delay soooo busy not having much time to repojnd to all of your pm's TMS kit with the restrictions removed and some modding works fine for 300bhp the company who make it I know really well and quality of work is A1 but they just made what was requested Got a meeting to run to but happy to share what I did to address most of the issues and if required can do the work for you DG

[14500rpm]

From what I read having intercoolers (air to air or air to water) in line is a Bad Idea, I think this is related to the loss of efficiency on the second cooler, i.e. you want the temp difference to be as great as possible between what you are cooling and what is cooling it, so parallel is ok. From the look of it a grand is well steep for what you see in the pics.

[Winstar]

PM replied

Sorry for the delay soooo busy not having much time to repojnd to all of your pm's

TMS kit with the restrictions removed and some modding works fine for 300bhp the company who make it I know really well and quality of work is A1 but they just made what was requested

Got a meeting to run to but happy to share what I did to address most of the issues and if required can do the work for you

DG

I never see the point of doing these things by PM, although with TMS there is always the danger of 'A Letter'

From what I read having intercoolers (air to air or air to water) in line is a Bad Idea, I think this is related to the loss of efficiency on the second cooler, i.e. you want the temp difference to be as great as possible between what you are cooling and what is cooling it, so parallel is ok.

From the look of it a grand is well steep for what you see in the pics.

yes and no As the proalloy is a 5 pass CC so equivalent to 5 cores in series where as the TMS is a single pass IC and a 3 pass CC. The over all temperature drop should be the same just not as elagant a way of doing it as has the dissadvantage of still dumping lots of heat into the engine bay

[slindborg]

like dilbert stuff, painful at list price but you might just bear it when cheap 2nd/3rd hand. That poxy Z pipe isnt exactly helpful either

[GeorgeBC]

like dilbert stuff, painful at list price but you might just bear it when cheap 2nd/3rd hand.

That poxy Z pipe isnt exactly helpful either

Duncan mentioned "that poxy pipe" amongst other bits that need changing to get the kit working correctly. Ill be spending my hard earned on a different bit of kit but at least i have bumped this one off my list. Thanks all

[siztenboots]

on the plus the "doodah CC" are actually lighter than air, and self support themselves by floating in the wheel arch with no apparent means of fixing.

[Big Steve]

Has anybody fitted the thorney cc? Whats the verdict? What are the disadvantages of it over CMS cc? This has been asked but in a different thread and didnt get a response.

http://www.thorneymo...osCsid=nyasfdgn

small sh** and overpriced compared to the Proalloy setup.

Why does Thorney not post on here anymore?

[slindborg]

Has anybody fitted the thorney cc? Whats the verdict? What are the disadvantages of it over CMS cc? This has been asked but in a different thread and didnt get a response.

http://www.thorneymo...osCsid=nyasfdgn

small sh** and overpriced compared to the Proalloy setup.

Why does Thorney not post on here anymore?

sold up, makes very little money from VX220 owners and is 'too busy' posting on all the VXR/Insignia/BTCC forums

[chrisgold]

TMS CC is proven to be sh** (I believe this is because = you get loads of lag as your slowing the air down twice, once with an intercooler and then with the charge cooler, also they splice the pipework so much to do this that the intake pipework diameter is reduced and a lot of added points of failure)

No it won't lag is a function of the volume of the cooler a certain bigger IC will increase lag more. The additional cooler and section changes will increase the pressure drop but that will reduce the boost seen by the engine.

My bad, I meant adding the CC causes more lag than IC alone Also the pressure drop and reducing diamiter and adding points of failure, why I pointed out about pressure dropin the CC's earlier, 3psi on the pro alloy, thats 3psi id like to see. IC for me!!
Also why I pointed out what a terrible job TMS do on it, I saw the TMS stage 4 (a recent one) looked like a retard had attacked it with a Stanley knife.

sold up, makes very little money from VX220 owners

I wonder why.