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[Bumblebee]

Hi, I'm thinking about changing my clutch for either a organic uprated clutch or a 6 puk paddle clutch but can't decide which 1 to go for? has any 1 got any of the above fitted? I wanted to keep my car as road friendly as possible and would hate to have a clutch what's difficult in traffic, does the organic clutch feel more like the oem clutch than the 6 paddle? Which ones better for all round use bearing in mind it's more fast road than track Thanks in advance Aimy

[catmando]

Fast road clutch with lightned flywheel .IMo feel no different to standard... Check out Courneys website for prices. Who are you giong to get to fit? RASP Grimsby are good

[SteveA]

I have a 6 plate paddle clutch and it's very easy to drive. You can deffo tell it's not an OEM one and it can be a bit bitey when pulling off but not bad. I will be on track at Elvington next Saturday (24th) if you want to see what it's like.

[Bumblebee]

That would of been great steve! Cant believe I'm working Saturday I suppose it's the downfall of been a hairdresser

[Pidgeon]

1, My Helix organic was faulty and did not fully release for the first few thousand miles. I have heard of other QC problems with this brand. 2, More concentration is required to pull away with the lightened fly and smooth pullaways are very difficult. Stalling is not! 3, Paddle clutches have a reputation for being heavier with a very fine bite point - not easy to use. Unless you really need these items, keep the car standard. It works much better that way.

[Bumblebee]

I was hoping to upgrade the power in the future maybe stage 4 so the Organic fast road clutch wouldn't be no good, I was referring to the organic uprated clutch vs 6 paddle? Courtney's said the organic uprated clutch would be fine. I was just wanting any thoughts on the above if any1 was using it? Thanks

[chrisvx220]

I wouldnt use RASP had a high speed spin thankfully on an open and clear road due to HCB failure, when investigated this was found to be due to a bodged fittment (one of the bolts had been cut down due to corrosion in the hub, rather than cleaning out and rethreading the hole) I was completely unaware untill the incident and thought I was safe on my new uprated bolts, just goes to show even places that look to be profesional can sometimes try to cut corners! Thankfully for me it didnt happen two days earlier when I was driving in the passes up in Cumbria as that wouldnt have been as lucky an escape...

[turbobob]

I believe the organic clutch is rated to something like 270 bhp (I can't remember the torque). But I believe its not rated for stage 4 power. I have the 6 paddle and as already said, its a bit more bitey, but certainly live withable

[GeorgeBC]

I fitted a organic clutch when i had my stage 2, i was told it could cope with stage 4 then found out 6 months later it apparently couldn't and fitted a 4 paddle clutch. I hate the feel of it driving through town on the 4 paddle but i suppose im still getting use to it. If i could have the feel of the organic with the performance of the paddle id be happy. If you fit the paddle you shouldn't need to do it again as its an expensive experience to fit a clutch and then find out it slips. Aimy you seem to want uprated power but still keeping the standard feel of the car with the engine mounts and clutch. Im afraid its just not possible IMO and you have to make sacrifices.

[Bumblebee]

Think that's the organic fast road, when I was on the phone to Courtney's they said the uprated organic(think the uprated is the 1 above the fast road) is ok for over 300hp

[Bumblebee]

That's what Courtney's told me, don't no wether there's a bit of confusion with the organic fast road (rated to 270) and the organic uprated clutch that Courtney's sell they was adamant that it will handle 300 hp

[GeorgeBC]

Think that's the organic fast road, when I was on the phone to Courtney's they said the uprated organic(think the uprated is the 1 above the fast road) is ok for over 300hp

Yeah mine was the fast road clutch from Helix but it was suppose to be rated for 300bhp thats why i had it fitted. Turned out a few cars had them slip at stage 2 (I never had a problem and still couldn't get it to slip after a power upgrade) so they reduced the torque rating apparently. Get courtenays to fit it then if you have any problems you can just go back and get them to sort it.

[Bumblebee]

Is any1 using the organic uprated clutch from Courtney's (rated 300+) ?

[zebwach]

I have had and used every clutch available for the VXT apart from the mega nutty one that Nev currently has fitted. As said above, the uprated organic clutch feels practicly the same as OEM. But if I had my time again, I would have gone straight for 6 paddle as it is bomb and future proof. Yes, it can be a little more snappy but like anything, you soon get used to it. It just requires a more precise foot, thats all. Plus it has the added benefit of being able to recover from excess temperatures. The uprated organic clutch is right on the upper of its performance envolope when at 'stage 4' levels of torque. In contradiction to what I said above, Im just waiting for mine to start slipping now I have 373lbs of torque. And thats reduced boost at the minute!

[turbobob]

I think I may have got my power and torque mixed up. I have just downloaded the data from Helix web site. For the VX220 turbo, the ceramic plate is rated to 275lbft. The paddle clutch is rated to 325 lbft. So stage 2 is taking you to and a bit above the rating of the Helix ceramic clutch.

[mbes2]

im currently 283ft-tq and had a organic uprated clutch fitted but started to slip after less than 500miles... now got a 4 paddle... wouldnt never go back from paddle. You do get used to it, it just changes your clutch control in traffic

Edited by mbes2, 16 March 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[Bumblebee]

Mbes2 Oh thats news I was hoping not to see,was the organic clutch the 1 supposedly rated to over 300hp? Thanks

[GeorgeBC]

mbes2's clutch that started slipping is the same one that i was talking about further up the thread.

[iVXT]

Remember when I had mine done & I spoke to Terry at Helix about the ratings that turbobob mentioned above. Torque is the important rating & by vxt stage 2 you'd be there or past the organic rating so it was a easy decision to go paddle so your more future proof. 6 paddle it was! Cheers.

[turbobob]

Thanks Brett. At least someone read what I put It's really a no brainer for me. A clutch that is already at it's limit for stage 2 or something that is probably 90% OEM clutch but far more suitable for more torque.