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[oilman]

Hi All,

There has been some confusion over the past few months about how to claim your 10% club discount.

Previously the method was to log into our members section on our website www.opieoils.co.uk to get the cheaper prices, however to keep certain internet search engines happy we have had to do away with that method (They do not like hidden prices!).

So, to now redeem your 10% club discount simply use the following club discount code at the checkout.

VX220

Please make sure your use the code at the time of purchase as we can't subsequently make a refund if you forget to use it.

Once the code is added at the checkout you will then receive your extra 10% club discount. However this discount code cannot be used in conjunction with other offer codes, BUT the code can be used in conjunction with any of our offers on this page HERE that do not require offer codes.

Please make sure your use the code at the time of purchase as we can't subsequently make a refund if you forget to use it.

Any questions please ask here or contact us via email at sales@opiepoils.co.uk

Thanks,

Oilman

[Nev]

TBH, even with your 10% discount your prices are usually more than others.

For example your Silkolene10w50 inc VAT is £54.90
For example eBay Silkolene10w50 inc VAT is £46.50

I know you will post back with some about price matching and postage etc, but all in all over the last 4 years or so I have never found your oil cheaper than elsewhere. Considering you buy in bulk I am surprised that you don't offer a more realistic discount to us.

Lastly, if you look at this forum sub-title, it specifically says "No commecial Ads please" !

Edited by Nev, 02 August 2012 - 12:11 PM.

[fezzasus]

Even with your 10% discount your prices are a good deal more than others. It does irritate me how you keep posting on this website, appearing to give the unwary a great deal, when in fact it is no such thing.

For example your Silkolene10w50 inc VAT is £54.90
For exmaple eBay Silkolene10w50 inc VAT is £46.50

I know you will post back with some about price matching and postage etc, but all in all over tha last 4 years or so I have never found your oil cheaper than elsewhere. Considering you buy in bulk I am surprised that you don't offer a more realistic discount to us.

Lastly, if you look at this forum title, it specifically say "No commecial Ads" !

Nev, I work for a major oil additive company and we regularly purchase from Opie Oils as part of our efforts to benchmark competitors because they are usually the cheapest place to buy major brands (eg. Castrol, Shell, Fuchs, Motul). They also have recently produced oils (each oil has a date of manufacture on it - oil is only stable for approx. 12 months) and frankly i'd much rather be buying from a company that sells a lot of oil than a ebay store to ensure I get the newest oil.

Secondly, there are plenty of moderators on this site that can judge if this post should stay.

Personally, I would much rather have websites offering us discount codes than not. You don't have to buy from them but there's no need to attack them for offering us discounts.

[Nev]

My point is that even with their discount their prices have always been greater than other sellers. Maybe the mods or admin now allow commercial adverts in here and have forgotton to updat the forum title, I don't know about that.

Edited by Nev, 02 August 2012 - 12:18 PM.

[fezzasus]

My point is that even with their discount their prices have always been greater than other sellers.

Maybe the mods or admin now allow commercial adverts in here and have forgotton to updat the forum title, I don't know about that.

But that's not correct. As stated, I use them because they're typically the cheapest. You have selected an atypical oil to demonstrate they're overpriced. Try it with a few others and see where you get

[siztenboots]

last site policy update was in May / June 2009 , when it was preferred that commercial posts go in the http://www.vx220.org...ners-club-room/

this is a site policy change being looked at for further review partly to give club supporters additional members benefits

[Nev]

My point is that even with their discount their prices have always been greater than other sellers.

Maybe the mods or admin now allow commercial adverts in here and have forgotton to updat the forum title, I don't know about that.

But that's not correct. As stated, I use them because they're typically the cheapest. You have selected an atypical oil to demonstrate they're overpriced. Try it with a few others and see where you get

I chose that oil cos it's what I happen to use in Nipper, it wasn't insidiously selective

Edited by Nev, 02 August 2012 - 12:32 PM.

[fezzasus]

My point is that even with their discount their prices have always been greater than other sellers.

Maybe the mods or admin now allow commercial adverts in here and have forgotton to updat the forum title, I don't know about that.

But that's not correct. As stated, I use them because they're typically the cheapest. You have selected an atypical oil to demonstrate they're overpriced. Try it with a few others and see where you get

I chose that oil cos it's what I happen to use in Nipper, it wasn't insidiously selective

You should probably rethink that choice.

That oil only has ACEA A3/B3 claims, meaning it failed to reach the minimum piston cleanliness rating and/or was over the maximum cam wear allowable for ACEA A3/B4 claims - it's one of my major issues with race spec oils - they simply put the price up by using expensive ester or PAO base stocks without any performance justification. Oils less than half the price have ACEA A3/B4 claims.

[Nev]

My point is that even with their discount their prices have always been greater than other sellers.

Maybe the mods or admin now allow commercial adverts in here and have forgotton to updat the forum title, I don't know about that.

But that's not correct. As stated, I use them because they're typically the cheapest. You have selected an atypical oil to demonstrate they're overpriced. Try it with a few others and see where you get

I chose that oil cos it's what I happen to use in Nipper, it wasn't insidiously selective

You should probably rethink that choice.

That oil only has ACEA A3/B3 claims, meaning it failed to reach the minimum piston cleanliness rating and/or was over the maximum cam wear allowable for ACEA A3/B4 claims - it's one of my major issues with race spec oils - they simply put the price up by using expensive ester or PAO base stocks without any performance justification. Oils less than half the price have ACEA A3/B4 claims.

I don't enough about oil makeup to make any sort of decission TBH. The reasons I chose it were:

i) Its thicker for the potentially higher temps the oil might see in the engine and turbo.
ii) I am running an unrestricted oil pressure into the turbo which should ideally not see more than 100 PSI (the pump can achieve 120 PSI apparently).
iii) It was recommended to me by a friend who has multiple highly tuned engines.
iv) I dont often drive it in winter, and always warm the engine and box up slowly.

However, if you think I should use something else please PM me, I am open to suggestions

Edited by Nev, 02 August 2012 - 01:09 PM.

[oilman]

Nev, Yes, you will always be able to find things cheaper by searching, but I think that applies to everyone, we aim to have a pretty good price all the time. Also, the Pro S price you looked at was a good one to prove your point now, however we have so many deals on it that it that it's often between £40 and £45. As Fezzasus said, we shift enough oil that it's new stock, when we've had pricebeaters against Ebay, most of them are against old stock and based on the cans they have pictured, it's often several years old. We're also authorised retailers, so if you buy from us, you get the genuine stuff and it's backed up by the manufacturer. Cheers Tim

[Nev]

Hi Tim, thanks for your reply. I have added a couple of comments below:

Yes, you will always be able to find things cheaper by searching, but I think that applies to everyone, we aim to have a pretty good price all the time. Also, the Pro S price you looked at was a good one to prove your point now, however we have so many deals on it that it that it's often between £40 and £45.

I appreciate your have a lot of deals that are on and off, and that is what makes me look around for a cheaper place, as I can't be sure that the current deal is a good deal. If you had a regular/permanent discount that genuinely matched what was availble from the rest of the market then I for 1 would regularily buy from you.


As Fezzasus said, we shift enough oil that it's new stock, when we've had pricebeaters against Ebay, most of them are against old stock and based on the cans they have pictured, it's often several years old. We're also authorised retailers, so if you buy from us, you get the genuine stuff and it's backed up by the manufacturer.

1. The shelf life of oil (providing the can is sealed to stop oxidising) should be at least 3 years, so in practice I'd be surprised if I received oil older than that. However, I agree it could possibly be older

2. When you say "get the genuine stuff", how many of the hundreds or thousands of UK places that sell oil have you heard of who sell "non genuine stuff" please? ie. Is this conjecture or do you have some stats to back this up?

3. What does "backed up by the manufacturer" mean? Are you saying if I use only your oil in my engine for it's whole life and the cam lobes and piston rings wear out in 30,000 miles your manufacturer will pay for an engine rebuild?! If so, I will start using your oil right away !

Regards,

Nev.

Edited by Nev, 02 August 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[fezzasus]

Nev, The lifespan of the oil has nothing to do with oxidation, it's because the ashed detergents in the oil (which neutralise acids formed during combustion) are suspended solids and will slowly crash out. Industry requires the oil is only stable for 12 months, yet I noticed in my local B&Q oils which had been made in 2010 - there's no way I would use any oil that has anything less than a 2012 date on it.

[Nev]

Nev,

The lifespan of the oil has nothing to do with oxidation, it's because the ashed detergents in the oil (which neutralise acids formed during combustion) are suspended solids and will slowly crash out. Industry requires the oil is only stable for 12 months, yet I noticed in my local B&Q oils which had been made in 2010 - there's no way I would use any oil that has anything less than a 2012 date on it.

Okies, that will teach me not to trust what I read on the internet! Thanks.

[H1 HWK]

Got some Tetrosyl rust proofing spray from Opie, hard to find and they were the best deal while there was promotion on (free air freshener too.......easily bought loyalty with me). Good service, so always worth keeping on your supplier list.

[oilman]

Nev, It's difficult to give stats on how much oil isn't genuine, but we have a lot of customers from Eastern Europe who buy Motul (mainly, other brands too) as there is a large problem with counterfeit oil in Europe. If they are willing to pay silly amounts for postage, they must be pretty concerned about the quality of the oil where they are. When I say the manufacturers back up their oils, being honest, I don't think they'd cover wear, but there are other things that are a problem. One that comes to mind was an ATF that Fuchs recommended for a 5 series BMW. The customer changed the oil and the car wouldn't change gear properly afterwards. I can't remember the exact details, but it cost somewhere between £1000 and £2000 to put right and Fuchs paid the bill. I can't see a company doing that if the oil didn't come from an authorised seller. Cheers Tim

[fezzasus]

Tim, The ATF market is slightly different in the way they handle claims and quality complaints. Transmission fluid is expected to last the lifetime of the car or failing that, is assumed to be a item serviced by the garage rather than at DIY, as a result none of the major OEMs actually issue transmission claims. It's down to the additive suppliers and oil marketers to perform extensive field testing to demonstrate the durability and issue the oil with a 'recommended for' statement, the oil marketer then assumes all warranty issues. In contract engine oil have official claims where the OEM have judged the oil to be fit for the engine, therefore the OEM retains the warranty claims although this does involve the oil marketers at times as they need to demonstrate there wasn't a problem with the oil. One example I can recall is a man had the engine fail in his Porsche. Porsche determined this was oil related and involves the oil marketer, after some sampling of oils and speaking to the man directly, they found he had serviced the car himself and asked for a sample of the oil he had used. The oil was the correct type for the car but on analysis they found it was mainly cooking oil - the mans wife had been using the same container to discard waste cooking oil! The point of the story is they do investigate it, but if the oil isn't what it says it is then you've got no protection.

[oilman]

Thanks for that, I always appreciate useful info