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#1 dw1

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

I know a few of you have asked for a report on how I’m finding it once I had a chance to give it a decent drive in the dry. So here it is.. Once again as with most dw1 productions it comes with a warning; it’s a detailed affair and a long post, sorry folks :D
 
It feels very good, I’m impressed with the suspension refresh and the Superpro bushes in particular, they don’t make the car jiggly and give a very smooth ride overall, especially when cruising. It still feels very adjustable in corners. My understanding is that the difference between them and the Powerflex is the way they load up, Liam explained the science bit and advise the Superpro, I’m very pleased I went with them as this is one of the areas I was unsure of, of what ones to use. I had the Nitrons wound right back to full soft and that combination makes it compliant with not ideal road surfaces.
 
At last, in the dry I can use full throttle as opposed to the damp where any level of boost becomes interesting! I find I’m waiting that little bit longer in the bend before booting it compared to before as the surge of torque requires real patience. I don’t think it is ideal. A Stage 2 or below or an NA let you tip the car into the bend and get on the power early whilst you wind off throttle through the corner. What I found today was that I would hold off and wait until  the car was mostly straight and then use the power, even then the car would start to wiggle at the rear and you could feel traction starting to break. I’m not sure if I can overcome this through better driving and getting more used to the car, again only time will tell as I feel my way into the car more.
 
Without a doubt, some of the finesse of the car has been bludgeoned out of it by the sheer torque. Anyone who says a stage 4 doesn’t take away some of the refinement and delicacy of driving around a corner is on crack in my view :D
 
I had a play with a Caterham, not sure what model, it kept with me reasonably well but it was obvious my car had more power to weight as I could pull away fairly easily especially at higher speeds, the extra power showed. Cornering wise my car held its quarter, but that is probably driver related rather than car as a Caterham will corner better than a VX.
 
I managed to get the vbox on it to get some data.
 
4.36 seconds to 60. I got near identical times on two runs trying more revs the second time and got much more wheel spin. The road was dry, a drop of 50 centimeters over that distance, I was on KU39s, air intake temp 21 degrees, ambient air temp about 7 degrees. I was sympathetic with the clutch on both runs rather than hammering it, first run was from 1,500 revs and feeding it in, the next was 2,500 and bringing the clutch up a bit more sharply but not abruptly. The combination of my mechanical sympathy and lack of launching talent tells me if murdering a clutch is your thing then my car might dip below 4, but who cares. For me the point of this is for comparison purposes with my Stage 2 to help show the difference to help people get a feel for the differences between a 2 and a 4. I have previously posted data on my stage 2, 0-60 launched with similar sympathy. The difference is over a second, it’s not overly scientific but gives a flavour.
 
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2.8 seconds 50-80. It was either in 3rd or 4th gear, probably 3rd, I didn’t get the chance to do a 5th gear test but I think it will be quite slow as the revs are bogged down in 5th at about 1,800rpm and the pick up relatively slow in 5th until you’re at about 2,300, but I am ok with working through the gears to get the most out of the car. I'll dig out my stage 2 times for this as well.
 
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It’s good fun, the sheer kick of power is quite something, I can blat past a car in almost bike like speeds. I certainly enjoyed my drive, the thrill and novelty put a big smile on my face. My current, early thinking on it is, it's fun however a stage 4 is a compromise and speed isn't everything. Modder beware is what I would say. Like all these changes, go in with your eyes open.

Edited by dw1, 17 February 2013 - 09:54 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:48 PM

Another great write up thumbsup I was taken pax in Stuwys SC stage 2 today, which felt really good, much better than before, then took stuwy for a drive, both very different cars on the way the power is delivered. Even on the motorway with a 4th gear pull test at 2k my turbo lag made a good match, only 4k upwards stg4 came in to its own. As you have said above, stage 4 turbo does remove the safe zone on how you treat the a bend, starting the learning process all over again. Its been well over a month from my last drive in mine, more so due to the weather stopping me taking it out

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:49 PM

Nice write up yet again David. Would be Power mongers should read this review as it'd be all too easy to say it's the best thing in the world. Much food for thought.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:54 PM

Interesting read :) so are you happy you made the move?

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:56 PM

Interesting read :) so are you happy you made the move?



How do you feel about your question Aimy ?

(Do you remember what its like to drive :P )

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

Wait till the weather warms up more. I'm spinning the rears into 3rd sometimes in the straight. Usually just 1st and second though. Inputting it down to old salt still on the road a the temp of the road being low. Once both those are gone you should have a chunk more grip!

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

Il report back when i bring it out for spring :lol:

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

Interesting read :)/> so are you happy you made the move?

Deep question, define happy, :)

I'm not unhappy with the car.

My primary pleasure with cars is all about drivability, handling and feel. Power is fun and these cars can handle a lot of power, they look massively quick and this gives them the speed to match their looks. You could suprise a supercar with it. The sensation of big power and torque is great without a doubt.

I will only be able to answer for sure once I've taken it on track and had a good old play.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

Il report back when i bring it out for spring :lol:/>


Spring starts march 20th ;)

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:16 PM


Il report back when i bring it out for spring :lol:/>


Spring starts march 20th ;)



This is very true.... http://wiki.answers....start_in_the_UK

hmmm What event is happening around that time ?

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

A very open and honest account. Nice reading.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:41 PM

nice wright up DW1
after only getting my car back on the road properly this week and having dry days to play I can see how the quest for more power is a very real threat.. HOWEVER!
at stage 2 SC, I have found it very very usable even if damp, but you need to be tame and careful. I can't (for the moment) see how any more power would actually be any good for the car or usable in standard form (race car speked wings and splitters with fatter, sticker tyers and about 2mm off the floor is another issue) and just to make a further point, the driver plays a massive role in this. I am perfectly aware that Mike, Jimmy, Joe ect ect (everybody other then me) could get a 1.2 corsa around a track quicker then me in my VX :lol:
anyway its all IMO :lol:

Another great write up thumbsup

I was taken pax in Stuwys SC stage 2 today, which felt really good, much better than before, then took stuwy for a drive, both very different cars on the way the power is delivered.

Even on the motorway with a 4th gear pull test at 2k my turbo lag made a good match, only 4k upwards stg4 came in to its own.

As you have said above, stage 4 turbo does remove the safe zone on how you treat the a bend, starting the learning process all over again.

Its been well over a month from my last drive in mine, more so due to the weather stopping me taking it out


1st off from this..

stage 4 turbo is fcuking brutal, its scary!

power delivery is sooo much different its strange, to best explain it in stupid (stuwy language) the SC is a gentle but reassuring push in your back from the moment you touch the throttle, not even at 50%, you can still feel it working.. all the turbo cars i have been in seem to just start pulling your teeth out slowly and then just bat you round the face with a large blunt object, all at once then its all over and you have to change gear..

What me and mark found earlier was that starting before the turbo had spooled, 2k rpm, I had the initial push (just a side note, I don't know what my rpm was because i was just sitting next to mark) even at st2 SC the first 10mph increase I poked a nose... then the hiss become a wosshhhhhh in marks car and it started pulling ahead and by the next 10MPH he was nearly a car length ahead..

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I know its "proppa chav like" but fcuk the wizz wooooosh fizzz, Darth Vader breath of the turbo sounds good :lol:

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:18 AM

Has anyone thought about asking MMG/Courtenay to write a "low-torque" stage 4 map? I'd like stage 4 with about 280lb-ft (i.e. stage 2 levels) of torque but with the ability to keep on pushing up the rev range so you still get the 290-300bhp at the top. Surely it shouldn't be hard, just reduce over-boost and drop the boost levels at lower revs?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:54 AM

Re above, I first thought this but the more I drive it the more I get used to it. Its only as fast as your wanna drive it, drive it softly, its a normal car

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:04 AM

Has anyone thought about asking MMG/Courtenay to write a "low-torque" stage 4 map? I'd like stage 4 with about 280lb-ft (i.e. stage 2 levels) of torque but with the ability to keep on pushing up the rev range so you still get the 290-300bhp at the top. Surely it shouldn't be hard, just reduce over-boost and drop the boost levels at lower revs?


Very good point. This would suit some people. Not me though!

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:09 AM

Nice write up again DW1. I still not sure if I am going to go to stage 4 and beyond. I am tempted but reserved reading your write up. I may just settle for some new wheels and sticky tyres.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:10 AM

in stupid (stuwy language) the SC is a gentle but reassuring push in your back from the moment you touch the throttle, not even at 50%, you can still feel it working.. all the turbo cars i have been in seem to just start pulling your teeth out slowly and then just bat you round the face with a large blunt object


Best description ever!

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:29 AM


Its only as fast as your wanna drive it, drive it softly, its a normal car


:yeahthat:

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:31 AM



Its only as fast as your wanna drive it, drive it softly, its a normal car


:yeahthat:/>


True!

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:00 AM

All very good & valid points :) A stage 4 VX is a brutal very very fast machine the powers all 3000-5000rpm peaking at about 4200, I had the CS 'high torque' map on mine & definatly prefered that to the low torque, torque is what moves the car & makes it feel F A S T! Zach had a 320bhp map with 380ftlb and then went to a 360bhp map with around 340ftlb, he said the later felt noticeably slower, if he'd V-Box'd it it was most likely faster but it was the high torque that 'felt' faster. Wait for a dry warm track in the summer & you'll not look back at 300bhp its a sensory assault! tho right now on greasy cold roads a hot hatch will have the power down before you! remember on a MLOC run though was behind 2 Exige 'S's (one an RGB 260) and on a long straight everyones foot was down and I just effortlessly drove round both Exiges like they were not trying, and they had their pedals buried into the floor! but 360ft lb vs 180 and another 40bhp there was only going to be one 'winner' that day :) the VX has been nick named 'The Beast' on MLOC ever since :D No matter whether is a std NA or stage 'Nev' everyone will always want 10% more than they have right now & that'll never change!!! :lol:

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