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[turbobob]

I've had an email from eliseparts saying they've upgraded the rear springs to progressive. I thought this a little odd. Wouldn't this make the rear feel more 'wallowy'. I queried it with them and they say its only the rears that need the progressive springs.

 

I certainly don't have enough knowledge about this to argue. But it does sound to me like it would upset the balance. So I'd like to ask the knowledgeable folk of. Org.

 

Advice welcome

[Scuffers]

think you need to relearn what progressive springs are. wallowing is not the result.

[Bumblebee]

Sorry can't help but I found this

Edited by Bumblebee, 23 May 2013 - 08:32 PM.

[turbobob]

Progressive sprang are as I thought in the article aimy posted. So the rear end spring will start compressing easier than the front. Result rear end compressing before the front hence seeming more 'wallowy'

 

[Wolfstone]

think you need to relearn what progressive springs are.

wallowing is not the result.

 

Yeah come on Bob..........don't be such a dunce!

 

[turbobob]

Now then ken. Durrrrrrrr

 

Perhaps I should rephrase my question. I am a little concerned about having progressive springs on the rear and linear on the front for the reasons above. Help me understand why this isn't an issue.

[VXT Tim]

Bob, seriously, do you not know this is not a 'safe' place to ask such questions anymore.

[Bumblebee]

It does come across like the above these days on here at times

[turbobob]

I've got a special. Org flak jacket. They were on group buy last month

[Zuber]

Bob, seriously, do you not know this is not a 'safe' place to ask such questions anymore.

 

Don't worry, I'm sure he did a proper search before posting, so asking 'dunce' questions is ok

 

 

It does come across like the above these days on here at times

 

I'd say forum regulars, take the p*ss (within reason). Newbies be gentle...

[VXT Tim]

It does come across like the above these days on here at times

I did say it slightly tongue in cheek but it is true, and it is a problem. The reason is obvious but it's allowed to continue for again, obvious reasons.

[slindborg]

Bob, seriously, do you not know this is not a 'safe' place to ask such questions anymore.

Its perfectly safe... Well as safe as it was, to ask questions.... Making assumptions without reading up about stuff is bad. Especially when people know the facts which tend to come across badly (I are guilty too and don't give a shite who I annoy in facting it up)

[turbobob]

I have read up. There isn't much literature about mixing. But I do understand the difference between linear and progressive springs. But yet nobody has offered me an explanation as to why its OK / how it works. So I'm basing my comment on my understanding of the spring types. I don't think it was an unjust question to ask.

[turbobob]

Oh and I wasn't ways mg its not safe. I would have thought linear front and rear or progressive front and rear would have given better handling / balance characteristics.

[Zuber]

No idea what I'm talking about But (why should that stop me)...

 

Wouldn't the rears also be acting 'hard' when under load (when it mattered), so behavior would be same. But less crashy ride at the back under low loads ?

 

Just reading the 3 Pros for linear posted above, they are related to greater mounting options, ease of setup and cost. Not better performance.

 

If the above is correct, progressive is always better if not compromising on other points ?

Edited by Zuber, 23 May 2013 - 10:16 PM.

[Scuffers]

No idea what I'm talking about But (why should that stop me)...   Wouldn't the rears also be acting 'hard' when under load (when it mattered), so behavior would be same. But less crashy ride at the back under low loads ?

and we have a winner! basically, it means we can have a spring that at ride height has a lower rate than when under heavy load. ie. you get a decent compliant ride but enough rate rise to limit how far it can fall over under high loads. for the VXT particularly, this goes some way to dealing with its heavier rear stance, without having to compromise a decent ride quality. this is only at the rear as the front really never gets that same kind of load changes upon it, as well as unloading the front is nothing lie the same problem (and actually a good thing at times). doing this also enables he use of lower ride heights than a single rate spring would allow without the risks of bumping out. to my mind, i would always use this option, no downside and a lot of upsides. for the VX i would go with the higher rate variable if you ever plan on using it on track, or the low.er one for 100% road.

[turbobob]

Thank you. 

 

As I say, it was more for my understanding rather than doubting it.

[jules_s]

So Is it Linear = NA Progressive = VXT

[sguesty1987]

I have the first set of progressive eliseparts shipped, and on an NA. So I hope not! I like it so far for ride. I wouldn't say I've really pushed on yet but the car seems well-planted.

[Scuffers]

So Is it Linear = NA Progressive = VXT

No?

 

where have I said that?