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[iceman]

What's so wrong in believing that God exists?

Good Evening Sir. Personally speaking, you have my respect, i admire that fact that you have your faith and think that you are to be commended. I have a somewhat (read as 'very') different belief system but i'm sure that that makes no difference to either of us. I'm very much an old hippie and still prescribe to the 'make love not war' mantra but do, for some reason (perhaps it's the camaraderie through hard times, i'm not really sure as I've never stopped to dissect it) love the old war films. I know (and can see through/past, the propaganda, perhaps knitted in at the time they were filmed) it's a rather bizarre pastime but i find it fascinating, especially too the war docudramas that seem rife on freeview. I was watching a good docudrama but a few days ago, which reminded me very much of this thread. It quoted Roosevelt's 'four freedoms', religion being one of them. It's your prerogative what you believe and in reality, regardless of this thread's banter, nobody would deny you of that. I guess just as there will always be believers, there will equally be non believers, the former with faith, the latter with science (i'd not really considered the two as contradictions) but whilst watching a truly fascinating documentary the other night on Hinduism (fantastic programme), it became clear that the two are not exclusively opposed. I think that for most people, just as their thoughts on sexual orientation, as long as free will is involved and nobody is being hurt, then it's each to their own. Persecution for a belief structure that falls within this remit rather dismays me and says more about the persecutor than the persecuted (in my humble opinion). Good luck in your faith. I hope that affords you all you believe it will. ...icey

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Thanks for your considered thoughts Sir, very good to of you to take time to reply in depth. I hope Gordon and God do have a coming together but that's out of my hands. As for the others that have been splitting their sides laughing at some old git that still believes in God etc, hope you come round to my way of thinking while you're still around. . Think it's a bit late once you've snuffed it. And snuff it you will, no matter what science says.

[ghand]

Thanks for your considered thoughts Sir, very good to of you to take time to reply in depth. I hope Gordon and God do have a coming together but that's out of my hands. As for the others that have been splitting their sides laughing at some old git that still believes in God etc, hope you come round to my way of thinking while you're still around. . Think it's a bit late once you've snuffed it. And snuff it you will, no matter what science says.

So do I fella, like I say I would have a good few questions for him and the odd punch or six 👍😂😂 but it won't happen in my view. We all have our own different beliefs but after what I've been through I could never end up following your path fella 👍😄 Snuff it we obviously will, oh and that's it all over I suspect 👍

[iceman]

Thanks for your considered thoughts Sir, very good to of you to take time to reply in depth. I hope Gordon and God do have a coming together but that's out of my hands. As for the others that have been splitting their sides laughing at some old git that still believes in God etc, hope you come round to my way of thinking while you're still around. . Think it's a bit late once you've snuffed it. And snuff it you will, no matter what science says.

 

You, as always, are most welcome my friend

 

It is always a pleasure to share thoughts with you.

 

 

..icey  

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Who wants to go to heaven?

[Captain Vimes]

Who wants to go to heaven?

Who wants to go to Narnia?

[KurtVerbose]

Who wants to go to heaven?

 

Been there already.

 

Saw Leona Lewis there back in 2012.

 

 

[slindborg]

Who wants to go to heaven?

Who wants to go to Narnia?

Wales

[hairy]

Who wants to go to heaven?

 

please define

[Harry Hornet]

Who wants to go to heaven?

 

..tell you at 19:00 on Sunday...

 

coyh's....

[oblomov]

The ability of non believers to understand the evidence/lack of it for the existence of a God, and arrive at a reasoned conclusion from the evidence/lack of it not just weak but flawed. I'm not trying to be rude and I'm not saying these people are stupid or that they couldn't learn how to evaluate evidence properly, but presently they don't show that ability.

 

Does God exist? Non believers have evaluated the evidence/lack of evidence as to the existence of a God, and because they can find no evidence anywhere, they infer that God does not exist. From the evidence/lack of evidence at hand, this is the wrong conclusion.

 

The lack of evidence of something's existence is not proof that it does not exist. It could exist, but so far no evidence of it's existence has been found. That's not the same as proof of non existence. To reach from this a conclusion of non existence of a God is faulty reasoning. This mistaken conclusion is a binary response to the question. The correct conclusion is not binary.

 

So to have a correct understanding of these things and an ability to evaluate evidence non believers need to not just sharpen up their reasoning skills, but also understand why there is a need to do so. This is something they must do for themselves, and to do that a person needs to have sufficient interest in the matters at hand to take the trouble to pursue this course of action.

 

As to the existence/non existence of God, though non believers believe there is no evidence in support of the existence of a God, how hard have they actually looked for evidence? Have they ever really looked/searched at all, or are they just making casual superficial observations in a forum; based upon nothing more than an opinion formed without any diligent search; prejudiced by an inability to even apply a basic analytical understanding in support of their opinion? Would they even know where to look or be bothered to look given that their opinions are already formed in ignorance of what is actually required to form a valid opinion in the first place?

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Oh dear, not many peeps queuing up for a ride to Heaven.

[Harry Hornet]

 

Who wants to go to heaven?

 

..tell you at 19:00 on Sunday...

 

coyh's....

 

 

 

Oh dear, not many peeps queuing up for a ride to Heaven.

 

..its because there isnt one...feckity, feckityity, feck..    but there is hell where all men in black go 

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

 

The ability of non believers to understand the evidence/lack of it for the existence of a God, and arrive at a reasoned conclusion from the evidence/lack of it not just weak but flawed. I'm not trying to be rude and I'm not saying these people are stupid or that they couldn't learn how to evaluate evidence properly, but presently they don't show that ability.

 

Does God exist? Non believers have evaluated the evidence/lack of evidence as to the existence of a God, and because they can find no evidence anywhere, they infer that God does not exist. From the evidence/lack of evidence at hand, this is the wrong conclusion.

 

The lack of evidence of something's existence is not proof that it does not exist. It could exist, but so far no evidence of it's existence has been found. That's not the same as proof of non existence. To reach from this a conclusion of non existence of a God is faulty reasoning. This mistaken conclusion is a binary response to the question. The correct conclusion is not binary.

 

So to have a correct understanding of these things and an ability to evaluate evidence non believers need to not just sharpen up their reasoning skills, but also understand why there is a need to do so. This is something they must do for themselves, and to do that a person needs to have sufficient interest in the matters at hand to take the trouble to pursue this course of action.

 

As to the existence/non existence of God, though non believers believe there is no evidence in support of the existence of a God, how hard have they actually looked for evidence? Have they ever really looked/searched at all, or are they just making casual superficial observations in a forum; based upon nothing more than an opinion formed without any diligent search; prejudiced by an inability to even apply a basic analytical understanding in support of their opinion? Would they even know where to look or be bothered to look given that their opinions are already formed in ignorance of what is actually required to form a valid opinion in the first place?

 

 

Interesting, I like your point even if it is very self satisfying "arnt I so great".

 

The points I have is not with God or not, but with religion.

 

Also if I may, how can you evaluate evidence that is not there, how can any conclusion other then "nothing is there" be gained..

 

God exists because some one, a long time ago said so. I don't understand how its is flawed. Simple reasoning.

 

So, I don't know how to evaluate evidence? well fcuk I better not ever get put on a jury.

 

crettin

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

Oh dear, not many peeps queuing up for a ride to Heaven.

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Edited by Andrew aka Stuwy, 25 April 2016 - 01:48 PM.

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

 

Who wants to go to heaven?

 

please define

 

 

good question, any answers?

 

 

 

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

Who wants to go to heaven?

 

you do.

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

Thanks for your considered thoughts Sir, very good to of you to take time to reply in depth. I hope Gordon and God do have a coming together but that's out of my hands. As for the others that have been splitting their sides laughing at some old git that still believes in God etc, hope you come round to my way of thinking while you're still around. . Think it's a bit late once you've snuffed it. And snuff it you will, no matter what science says.

 

I took the time and replied in depth, and you just ignored all my comments.

 

Typical Christian, picking and choosing what they want to follow and when.

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

 

Still going I see. Good sh*t.

Flipping too right it's still going. Been going 2016 years and still going strong.

 

 

only one religion. many more have been going a lot longer.

 

 

What makes yours so special?

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

Waaaahaaay. Back specially for Easter, no doubt by popular demand, the great Do you believe in God thread. Staring ...God. With support from Casino. Right, Where exactly has this long running debate got to? Who wants to talk about Easter? Rising from the dead and all that? Who wants to talk Easter Eggs instead? What about Hot Cross Buns? Bring it on, happy Easter ...

 

how about you go back and answer what I mentioned already rather then asking for more questions your not going to answer?