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[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Stage 4 I think needs a Harrop SC My stage 3 has a m62 and I don't think there is much more to give from the m62 without getting a lot of heat and loss of power

[Kieran McC]

Kieran, rumour has it you live minutes away from me? I believe I was speaking about you yesterday with Chris with the blue NA? I will look into the engine swap, Judging by the video there isn't much between the turbo and SC (although if the same weight stripping went into the SC I would say it would probably have the edge!) 2k would be fine to go stage 3. Would be more than happy with paying that. What's the general bhp figures for each stage with SC? I thought it was stage 2 - 250ish, stage 3 - 300 ish and never even seen stage 4 before?

Chris had my old 2.2 for his car., Where abouts do you live ?

[J13ME]

Yeah the car I'm looking at is 2.2 SC. Stage 2! I just bought a house in Belton but in Gorleston while I wait for mortgage to complete?

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Don't think a stage 2 SC will cut the mustard in time attack in fact I'm not sure a stage 3 sc would either

[Kieran McC]

Mine has a Saab engine running around 300bhp on a Eaton charger with a Tullett 2.5 full system, To get the full benifit you will need 3"system and a Harrop charger, thayt will take care of alot of the heat issues. You always go all the way and put a Garrett turbo on as well.Its been done on a Exiege. Scuffers drove it in Time Attack for part of last season.

Edited by kieranmcc, 20 July 2014 - 04:09 PM.

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What's the general bhp figures for each stage with SC? I thought it was stage 2 - 250ish, stage 3 - 300 ish and never even seen stage 4 before?

 

Stage II (250/260) is fixed as it's a stock M62 SC on a stock engine on stock exhaust with just precat removed. 

As soon as you go stage 3, you need enforced pistons (breakpoint 300)  and rods (breakpoint 275). 

Getting 270/280 is easy. The last 20 is more expensive and work.

Stage 4 is a harrop supercharger.

 

Biggest stage 4 problem is inlet temp, which can be fixed with water injection.

[J13ME]

Are you local to me then Kieran? Any chance you could take me out so I can compare? It's hard choosing without experiencing any of them! I have been in a standard NA so that's as far as my VX experience goes!

[Bargi]

Have a look at the South American VX220's too, they race them a lot there apparently. If I were you I'd wait and buy a stage 3+ SC'ed car or a stage 4+ TC'ed car, I think Davemate on here might be tempted to sell his as he is moving country. Being close to CS will help (if you are rich), but learning and DIY is always cheaper. There are some knowledgeable people on this site and almost anything you attempt to do will likely have been done by someone on here already, so just ask. Be aware of the "charge temp" limits of a SC'ed cars, this is an achilles heal of the more powerful ones at the moment and does not have (as far as I'm aware) a satisfactory resolution yet.

 

From memory I don't remember and SC'd car with forged internals going up for sale ever.(Daves thinking about excluded )

 

Hitting 300bhp will be much easier/cheaper on a TC than SC'd car as you don't need to change the internals.

 

Saab is an option with M62 but not a well trodden path yet, isn't so straight forward, but there are lots of people here that can help and from "should" take to higher revs than the 2.2

 

If you're wanting to compete in TA you'd better get a wriggle on, especially if you're going to do it all yourself

[Kieran McC]

I am out the other side of Norwich, We could tie up next weekend ?

[J13ME]

That would be perfect mate! I'm in Yarmouth so not too far at all!

[Kieran McC]

That would be perfect mate! I'm in Yarmouth so not too far at all!

Drop me a pm towards the end of the week just to remind me.

Edited by kieranmcc, 20 July 2014 - 05:02 PM.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Mine in the video is not up for sale but if I was offered money which wouldn't leave me out of pocket I would sell

[rob999]

I'm curious as to how much Chill...what number?

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I'm not going to add it up until I get a offer which makes me want to get the box of receipts out

[Bumblebee]

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Edited by Bumblebee, 20 July 2014 - 06:15 PM.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Is that a offer aimy if so I will get the box out

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

Is that a offer aimy if so I will get the box out

[turbotoaster]

Remember with Time Attack you need to have an overall objective, for example are you looking to just have a bit of fun and dont mind being low down on the times, or are you looking to be competitive.

 

As that level of thinking will dictate what you do with the car, I obviously dont expect you to go as mad as me building a Time Attack car but you need to decide what you want time attack to be, luckily you have experience in the mini not setting the timing boards alright so im guessing this is more of a fun thing?

[Nev]

How much does it cost to actually enter TA, inc all fees, taxes, licenses etc etc ? Of course I can imagine on top of that it would be £1,000s more for fuel, travelling up, trailer, hotels, helmet, tyres, oil etc, not to mention the cost of any accident or melted engine.

Edited by Nev, 21 July 2014 - 05:51 AM.

[Scuffers]

being blunt, Time Attack club classes are a relatively soft target for a VX, most of your competition are FWD euro-boxes.

 

if you take a look at TSL and compare laptimes to other club racing you will see what I mean.

 

even at the top level, there's only really 2-3 serious cars to beet.