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#1 speedster

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 12:45 PM

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Posted 29 April 2015 - 01:01 PM

dizzy!


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 02:46 PM

dizzy!

 

 

Too much cylinder pressure for coil pack?  Or revs too high for coil pack response? :unsure:


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 03:04 PM

 

dizzy!

 

 

Too much cylinder pressure for coil pack?  Or revs too high for coil pack response? :unsure:

 

 

Power capabilities of a dizzy can be higher than a coil pack - would a coil pack larger enough fit in the available space?  


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 04:10 PM

The dizzy is used by engine management to synchronize the camshaft position with fuel injection[color=rgb(17,17,17);font-family:Raleway, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;] [/color]plus distribute a 40,000 volt spark. Think the OEM DIS unit is around 30k volts. The ignition system appears to be all MSD Ignition race components. 


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 04:15 PM

 

dizzy!

 

 

Too much cylinder pressure for coil pack?  Or revs too high for coil pack response? :unsure:

 

 

Probably a bit of both. The compression ratio is probably up around the 11's and the rev limiter is probably off the scale :lol: The dizzy is good for 12500rpm.


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 04:25 PM

Here's the actual ITBs with an optional upper fuel rail. Still listed on Kinsler's website http://www.kinsler.c...php/8-manifolds

 

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 03:12 PM

                                                     [font="arial, sans-serif;"]KINSLER FUEL INJECTION[/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                         Date:  01-20-15[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                                1834 Thunderbird[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                        Troy, Michigan 48084 USA[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Page 1 of 2                                            Tel: (248) 362-1145                                 [/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                                Fax: (248) 362-1032[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                                 www.kinsler.com[/font]

 

         [font="arial, sans-serif;"]Kinsler 4 Cyl. Ecotec I.T.B. Manifold For EFI Fuel Metering [/font]

 

 

Description                                                                                                                                                       Dealer Price

 

Kinsler 1-piece injection manifold,                                                                                                               $2,787.00

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]       Basic Manifold Package,                                                                                 [/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Includes the following:                                                       [/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Standard throttle sizes:   2 " (51mm),  2 3/16” (55.5mm), 2 1/4" (57.15mm),[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]   2 3/8" ( 60.2mm), or 2 7/16” ( 61.9mm), 2 ½” (63.5mm), or 2 5/8” (66.7mm).[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Standard bolt location and port location with 100% CNC machined intake ports.[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Ram tube adapters (flat style for straight out ram tubes)[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Aluminum[/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"] or magnesium[/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]*[/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"] castings[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Bronze throttle shaft bushings installed in manifolds[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Precision ground hard-nickel plated milled style individual transverse throttle shafts[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]   and aluminum throttle plates.[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Throttle arms, throttle stop, safety return spring, stop boss, and billet linkage[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]   connector bar with ball bearings and snap rings.[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Set of (4) Kinsler 180 degree bell aluminum ram tubes:  3” to 9" long.[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]         (Various ram tube diameters can be installed on any throttle bore diameter)[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Vacuum/Boost reference ports, 10-32, 1/16” NPT, or 1/8”NPT thread.[/font]

[font="wingdings;"]Ø  [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]Bolt-on TPS boss and drive.  (Refer to available drive options).[/font]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Options:[/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Idle Air Control rail log kit with flowed and matched orifices for each runner.                                370.05[/font]

 

 * Upgrade to Magnesium manifold and ram tube adapters for ~ 33% weight savings.                     N/C  

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Kinsler K-140 pressure relief valve with AN adapter fittings and vacuum/boost reference.           483.15[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]   This valve is small, lightweight, and purpose built for each pressure range.[/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Manifold up-grade to billet radius plates (replaces ram tubes and top adapters).                             433.80[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]  These are for higher RPM ram tuning and are NOT available for ALL throttle sizes.[/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Manifold assemblies may vary per application, please call regarding your specific needs.[/font]

 

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]PRICES SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE ![/font]                                                              

 [font="arial, sans-serif;"]File: EFI-Ecotec- 4Cyl Manifold-15.doc[/font]

 

 

 

 

 

                                                     [font="arial, sans-serif;"]KINSLER FUEL INJECTION[/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                         Date:  01-20-15[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                                1834 Thunderbird[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                        Troy, Michigan 48084 USA[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Page 2 of 2                                            Tel: (248) 362-1145                                 [/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                                Fax: (248) 362-1032[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]                                                                  www.kinsler.com[/font]

 

 

          [font="arial, sans-serif;"]Kinsler 4 Cyl. Ecotec I.T.B. Manifold For EFI Fuel Metering [/font]

 

Description                                                                                                                                                      Dealer Price

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Upgrade throttle size to “Custom” made 52, 53, or 65mm throttles.                                                246.45[/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Upgrade manifold assembly with lower angle throttle plates for “Street and Road Racing”              98.95[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"] applications.  Increases throttle control at lighter loads and low throttle angles.[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"] Enhances possible EFI mapping resolution by 5%.    [/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Billet air box plate,  3/8” thick aluminum, 8” x 16.5”, with machined holes for specific                    135.70 [/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]  throttle bore sizes and bore spacing.  Add $ 8.00 for painted plate.[/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]ITG Air filter assemblies are available in various sizes.  Price depends on specific size.    Est.     227.25[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"] Base plate requires machining to allow the ram tubes to slip through at the proper C-C.[/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]***Labor to custom machine above ITG base plate to fit ITB’s.                                                              94.55   [/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Economy air filtration “Booty”, Nylon type mesh,  fits over ram tube bells.                                           67.30[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"] Available in various colors. ( Black, Blue, Red, Orange, Lime Green, and  Yellow)  [/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]We recommend that the following upgrade be utilized for Drag Racing only with [/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]  sequential staged injection.    [/font][font="arial, sans-serif;"] NOT recommended for street applications.[/font]

 

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]NOTE:  A Plenum manifold is also available.  Call for machine/build details.                        Est. 2,651.00  [/font]

 

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/font]

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]Manifold assemblies may vary per application, please call regarding your specific needs.[/font]

 

[font="arial, sans-serif;"]PRICES SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE ![/font]          

                                                                                                       [font="arial, sans-serif;"]File: EFI-Ecotec- 4Cyl Manifold-15.doc[/font]

            


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:20 PM

Jesus, peanut prices for monsterous power.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 08:33 PM

Yea its a good price for handmade kit. Lots more needed to complete a build though. Might suit me as I have some of what's needed already... Ecu, trigger wheel, msd ignition etc... Want to find out what compression ratio is best... And if the long block is suited

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 09:29 PM

Cheap, but with such an old fuel and ignition system there really isn't any complexity to justify a higher cost.

 

 


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 09:41 PM

Cheap, but with such an old fuel and ignition system there really isn't any complexity to justify a higher cost.    

But you can run whatever ignition you want and deliver the fuel to the injectors anyway you want...

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 10:52 PM

 

Cheap, but with such an old fuel and ignition system there really isn't any complexity to justify a higher cost.    

But you can run whatever ignition you want and deliver the fuel to the injectors anyway you want...

 

 

Kinsler can even muster up a version that uses mechanical fuel injection. That would require some tlc but fun to work on... no computers!

 

http://www.hotrod.co...fuel-injection/


Edited by speedster, 30 April 2015 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:04 PM


Edited by speedster, 01 May 2015 - 02:09 PM.

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