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[techieboy]

Eu buys most of that fish so double win.

 

Until in 5 years time we say "Non" to the French fisherman and the EU retaliates by imposing tariffs on fish exports and whatever else they might fancy.

 

Out of interest, how is the "deal" being presented in the Netherlands media?

[Madmitch]

I thank fcuk it's done and we can get on with life without this sucking every ounce of oxygen out of the atmosphere but it looks like the thinnest of thin "deals". I'm struggling to see how the UK benefits in any way despite Boris' claims that we beat the EU in the negotiations by winning more than twice as many victories as the EU; with 28 UK wins (43%), 11 EU wins (17%) and 26 “mutual compromises” (40%) on the (apparently) 65 key issues. As far as I can see, we've just signed up to years and years of arguments, further negotiations and probably tit-for-tat tariffs.

 

I guess we do get to catch 10 tonnes more fish per annum than we did at the cost of EU fishermen, so maybe it was a win after all.

 

Exactly so, this agreement is just a sticking plaster, the real negotiations will go on for years to come.  They haven't even started on the Financial Services bit yet!

[techieboy]

What's the feeling on the "deal" in France? Are French fisherman going to start blocking the channel ports at the prospect of their (slightly) decreasing quota's over the next 5 years? Will Macron give it the nod or will Mutti need to intervene and apply some pressure to get it over the line with some promise of bigger CAP subsidies for French farmers, or similar? Is Barnier now a folk hero and up for the Légion d'honneur?

[smiley]

Out of interest, how is the "deal" being presented in the Netherlands media?

 

Nobody cares.

Just show your passport at the ferry, and you're more then welcome for a beer over here
 

[Madmitch]

What's the feeling on the "deal" in France? Are French fisherman going to start blocking the channel ports at the prospect of their (slightly) decreasing quota's over the next 5 years? Will Macron give it the nod or will Mutti need to intervene and apply some pressure to get it over the line with some promise of bigger CAP subsidies for French farmers, or similar? Is Barnier now a folk hero and up for the Légion d'honneur?

 

The reaction here has been pretty mixed, a lot of anger, at Macron, at the British, at the Institution of the EU too.  A fair bit of crowing at how little the UK has got out of the deal, a fait bit of anger at what they think the UK has got away with.  Generally the French tend not to get too excited about politics because they know very well that their government will do what it wants without asking the populace - which is why we get riots a tyre burning in the streets.  Every new president in the last 20 years has been elected on a platform for reform, which the French know is needed, but has almost instantly fallen out of popularity when the realisation dawns that reform may not necessarily be to their advantage.  In todays Le Figaro there are comments of every colour, a few of the less emotional and more rational are waiting to see exactly what is in the Agreement and there is much suspicion that the wool is being pulled - as in the UK.  Copied below is one of the more balanced comments -

 

'With this Brexit deal, there is none. The only turkeys in the farce are the Brexit voters.
The leave was to signify regained sovereignty. Except that by monetizing their access to the common market, the British have agreed to comply with European social, societal, fiscal and environmental standards. They will therefore not be free to choose their rules. Even worse ! They will have to comply with the rules of Europe without being able to amend or modify these rules from now on. As always, sovereignty is a hazy concept. Political decisions are dictated by the economy and negotiations in a balance of power.
With nearly 50% of its exports to Europe, it was pretty obvious that the British would somehow sit on the vote of their fellow citizens'.

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

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[EnnZett]

I spent all of last night updating my euro bills.

I regret that the Brexit happened.

 

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[C8RKH]

@EnnZett but surely both Norway and Switzerland need to have the "x" over them as they are not in the EU either. People seem to forget that.

[EnnZett]

@C8RKH  Of course you are right.

 

And that's why it took me another night shift to update. But I'm retired and have plenty of time.   

 

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[techieboy]

Mein Gott. What will Ursula say when she sees this deliberate defacing of the worlds finest currency?

 

You see Brexiteers, this is what we're missing, German pensioners can afford to i) have a 50€ note in the first place and ii) use it as writing paper.

[C8RKH]

 

@C8RKH  Of course you are right.

 

And that's why it took me another night shift to update. But I'm retired and have plenty of time.   

 

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Lol. Only another 26 crosses to go then. I think France will be next. Then Holland. Then Italy. 

 

At that point Spain will get all aggressive and try to take over and will be booted out by the Germans, Hungarians and Polish who'll look for any excuse to get rid of the southern European dead weight.

 

So in about 10 years time, when Scotland has gotten it's independence for all of 3 or 4 years she'll then be joining about a group of 20 countries left in the EU, which will really p*ss the Germans off as it will be yet another country joining that will expect handouts and subsidies instead of being a net contributor. Oh, and then we'll also really hear the Scots squeal as they truly lose their independence, have to take the Euro, give back their recently gained fishing rights and create a hard border with their biggest export market, the rUK, due to Shengen.

 

The next 10 years are going to be a blast!  Must stock up on popcorn and Pepsi Max for this.

[EnnZett]

I can see that there still seems to be a lot to do (X, X, X, X, X, X, X ............).

 

But at my age I'll only make provisions for the next coming year (popcorn and coke), I'm not sure how much longer I can hold out.

[techieboy]

All the TV channels news outside broadcast reporters seem a little deflated at not being able to report chaos and carnage at Dover and the other ports this morning. They don't seem to be able to say something like "it's all operating as normal" and have to mutter something like "operating with few problems".

 

Seems even the BBC DoomBrexit live updates page has given up on Brexit altogether. Either that or they're running on Beijing time.

 

[PaulCP]

Yep, the time for the channel of doom and gloom, aka the British Bullsh!t Corporation, to self implode is well overdue👍

[smiley]

That will not happen.

The same principle is going on in many places, where these main stations are subsided to death, and to compensate have become glorified propaganda machines.
Mainly for boomers, as the rest has moved on to alternatives.

 

[LY_Scott]

 

 

@C8RKH  Of course you are right.

 

And that's why it took me another night shift to update. But I'm retired and have plenty of time.   

 

Brex_50_neu.JPG

 

Lol. Only another 26 crosses to go then. I think France will be next. Then Holland. Then Italy. 

 

At that point Spain will get all aggressive and try to take over and will be booted out by the Germans, Hungarians and Polish who'll look for any excuse to get rid of the southern European dead weight.

 

So in about 10 years time, when Scotland has gotten it's independence for all of 3 or 4 years she'll then be joining about a group of 20 countries left in the EU, which will really p*ss the Germans off as it will be yet another country joining that will expect handouts and subsidies instead of being a net contributor. Oh, and then we'll also really hear the Scots squeal as they truly lose their independence, have to take the Euro, give back their recently gained fishing rights and create a hard border with their biggest export market, the rUK, due to Shengen.

 

The next 10 years are going to be a blast!  Must stock up on popcorn and Pepsi Max for this.

 

 Nurse!