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[tibby]

What's the difference between AQ and SG codes? Thought the only option for us (Z22SE'ers anyway) was the SG.

  There's a couple of others as Vocky said attached to Z22YH engined cars.. http://www.opel-info...triebe/f23.html

Did not notice the link allready was posted........ (stupid me ) :-)

[Oldboystoy]

I'm NOT sure, but a zafira with Z20LER engine uses a 6 speed box (m32)?
The LER engine is also used in a Lotus Europa. = 6 speed M32

This one however is an F23 box. From a Zafira -03 with the Z20LER engine

[Oldboystoy]

Hi there. Have been researching Zafira Gsi gearboxes and came across your post. I know it's nearly a year ago so wondered if you fitted the box to your VXT. I had the same issue and bought a geabox out of a Zafira A Gsi which definitely had a Z20LET engine. All the references I could find suggested it would be a DZ code so I was a bit put out when I found the sticker with an AW code. I went to my local vauxhall dealer parts people ( who were very helpful to be fair ) and they could find no reference to an F23 with an AW code. So finding your post cheered me up no end.Is it a straight forward swap with the original VXT box and more importantly did it have the effect on acceleration you were hoping for ? I was looking to changing mine as a bit of a winter project so would appreciate your views on the AW box. Thanks

[harboged]

Hi! Unfortunately I haven't found a box yet

[Danceman2020]

Has anyone every fitted 6 speed box to a VXT ?

[Rosssco]

Has anyone every fitted 6 speed box to a VXT ?

 

Search for M32 gearbox - that's the 6 speed option that fits, although its expensive for all the required parts  

[Oldboystoy]

Hi! Unfortunately I haven't found a box yet

That's a shame ? There are a couple on eBay Motors UK.

[harboged]

Hi! Unfortunately I haven't found a box yet

That's a shame ? There are a couple on eBay Motors UK.

Usually they don't ship them to Sweden and last winter I had many other projects so I never bothered. But if I find a box in good condition that can be shipped to Sweden then I'm interested

[harboged]

BTW. They sell this on eBay. Is that to change the FD ratio? If so, is it complicated to install it?

[Oldboystoy]

A bit too technical for me. I am sure there are a number of forum members who could advise though.

[Oldboystoy]

Besonderheiten: SR 3,95 | Alphacode AW OE-Nummer: 24 467 329 OPEL ZAFIRA A (F75_) 2.0 OPC Turbo Bauzeit 04.1999 - 06.2005 Motorcode Z20LET Getriebecode Schaltung | Leistung 141 KW | 192 Ps Hubraum 1998 ccm Kraftstoffart Benzin

Could I ask where you found this ? Are you convinced that the DZ and the AW are the same? Cheers

[tibby]

Here's a F23 box (3.74 final drive) for you, new in the box....... (Germany) http://forum.opel-sp...showtopic=37876 please contact the seller for more info... grtz

Edited by tibby, 19 October 2017 - 11:56 PM.

[tibby]

Getriebe - F23 F23 Variante 1 Die Kennzeichnung ist in das Getriebegehäuse eingraviert. 1 = Gehäusetyp   1 = J-Car Fam. 2   2 = J-Car V6   3 = J-Car L850   4 = T-Car Fam. 2   5 = T-Car L850 2 = Getriebecode Radsatz und Abtriebsübersetzung   1. Ziffer Radsatz:   0 = SR (Short ratio)   1 = WR (Wide ratio)   4 = SRT (Short ratio Turbo)   2. Ziffer Abtriebsübersetzung:   0 = 3,74   1 = 3,84   2 = 3,95   3 = 4,17   4 = 3,63 3 = Jahresendzahl 4 = Seriennummer 5 = Getrag interner Änderungsindex 6 = Opel/Vauxhall-Teilenummer 7 = Alphacode 8 = Barcodeaufkleber F23 Variante 2 Der Getriebetyp ist an der Oberseite erhaben eingegossen. Der Alphacode ist an der Oberseite gestempelt. 1 = Getriebetyp 2 = Alphacode 3 = Jahresendzahl 4 = Seriennummer 5 = Getrag interner Änderungsindex 6 = Opel/Vauxhall-Teilenummer 7 = Herstellerwerk 8 = Radsatz   01 = WR (Wide ratio)   02 = SR (Short ratio) 9 = Jahresendzahl 10 = Seriennummer 11 = Alphacode Gang Übersetzung F23WR F23SR F23SRT 1. 3,577 3,577 3,577 2. 1,887 2,022 2,022 3. 1,192 1,348 1,348 4. 0,848 0,977 0,977 5. 0,686 0,809 0,790 R 3,308 3,308 3,308 Kupplung hydraulisch Schaltung Seilzug Gewicht ca. 42,8 kg Ölfüllmenge ca. 1,75 Liter Getriebeöl SAE 75W-85 API GL4 Modell Motor Getriebecode Achsantrieb Alphacode Astra G Z20LET F23SRT 3,632 = 69/19 TR, AF Y20DTH F23WR SB, AG, AB X20XEV F23SR 3,737 = 71/19 SH X20DTL F23WR 3,842 = 73/19 SA X20XER F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 TS X20XEV F23SR SC Z22SE F23SR SF, AH Astra H Z17DTH F23WR 3,947 = 75/19 QJ Corsa C Z17DTH F23WR 3,632 = 69/19 QF Combo C Z17DTH F23WR 3,842 = 73/19 QG Meriva A Z17DTH F23WR 3,842 = 73/19 QG Signum Y20DTH F23WR 3,737 = 71/19 XU Z22YH F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 XY Speedster Z20LET F23SRT 3,632 = 69/19 AF Z22SE F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 TN Vectra B X20XEV F23SR 3,737 = 71/19 SR X20DTH, Y20DTH F23WR SP X25XE, Y26SE F23SR 3,842 = 73/19 SK X20DTH, X20DTL, Y20DTH F23WR SL X20XEV F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 SS Z22SE F23SR ST X20DTL F23WR SM X20XEV F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 SQ Vectra C Y20DTH F23WR 3,737 = 71/19 XU Z22SE, Z22YH F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 XX Z22YH F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 XY Zafira A Z20LET F23SRT 3,947 = 75/19 DZ Z22SE F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 SG X20DTL, Y20DTH F23WR SJ, AK, AJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Letzte Änderung: 13.05.2010 Impressum | Kontakt | Gästebuch | Links | Updates | Besucher: 1.854.510 Copyright 2004 - 2013 by Tobias Hartmann

[tibby]

Besonderheiten: SR 3,95 | Alphacode AW OE-Nummer: 24 467 329 OPEL ZAFIRA A (F75_) 2.0 OPC Turbo Bauzeit 04.1999 - 06.2005 Motorcode Z20LET Getriebecode Schaltung | Leistung 141 KW | 192 Ps Hubraum 1998 ccm Kraftstoffart Benzin

Could I ask where you found this ? Are you convinced that the DZ and the AW are the same? Cheers

This was the link (long ago) http://www.google.be...liI9YMDp6L3qfRy

[Rosssco]

BTW. They sell this on eBay. Is that to change the FD ratio? If so, is it complicated to install it?

  Yeah that would pretty much mean you would have to strip the gearbox down to component level (on the output shaft at least). Fine if you're getting a full gearbox rebuild, but if you just want the lower FD (3.95) in your turbo, you'd be much easier finding a complete NA gearbox and just swapping the complete shafts, diff etc. over to your turbo clutch side housing / case.   P.s - You need to refer to the below link which will tell you the ratio's for each alphacode: http://www.opel-info...triebe/f23.html

Edited by Rosssco, 20 October 2017 - 08:49 AM.

[harboged]

 

BTW. They sell this on eBay. Is that to change the FD ratio? If so, is it complicated to install it?

  Yeah that would pretty much mean you would have to strip the gearbox down to component level (on the output shaft at least). Fine if you're getting a full gearbox rebuild, but if you just want the lower FD (3.95) in your turbo, you'd be much easier finding a complete NA gearbox and just swapping the complete shafts, diff etc. over to your turbo clutch side housing / case.   P.s - You need to refer to the below link which will tell you the ratio's for each alphacode: http://www.opel-info...triebe/f23.html

 

 

Alright, thanks for your input! How much of a work is it to swap those parts? Do you need special tools?

 

Wouldn't it be possible to take a gearbox from an X20XEV engine and put it on the Z20LET? The hole pattern looks identical from what I can see on photos. Or do the engines differ somehow, eg starter motor location, which makes it impossible? If it would be possible then there are more boxes with 3.95 ratio that could be used albeit they are SR-boxes, not SRT-boxes. However, the only difference between an SR- and SRT-box seems to be the small difference in ratio for 6th gear - 0,809 vs 0,790.

[Rosssco]

This guide was good as it showed how to split the 'box, but since all the pics have disappeared, its not as useful.. http://www.vx220.org...atb-quaife-etc/

[dominik]

Alright, thanks for your input! How much of a work is it to swap those parts? Do you need special tools?

 

Wouldn't it be possible to take a gearbox from an X20XEV engine and put it on the Z20LET? The hole pattern looks identical from what I can see on photos. Or do the engines differ somehow, eg starter motor location, which makes it impossible? If it would be possible then there are more boxes with 3.95 ratio that could be used albeit they are SR-boxes, not SRT-boxes. However, the only difference between an SR- and SRT-box seems to be the small difference in ratio for 6th gear - 0,809 vs 0,790.

 

 

The 3,74 final drive SR Gearbox linked above from Tibby is mine.

These are a direct fit to the Z20LET

 

Gear 1-4 is 3% shorter,  gear 5 is 5% shorter.

 

Final drive is (XEV vs Z20LET) 3,737  vs 3,632

Gear 1-4 are identicaly 

Gear 5 is (SR vs SRT) 0,809 vs 0,790 

 

I bought three of them in 2012 after wrecking my third gearbox in 2012 and found time to fit the first of them in September 2016.

Speedster was on the lift for over 4 years and I had no time for fitment. 

[Oldboystoy]

Getriebe - F23 F23 Variante 1 Die Kennzeichnung ist in das Getriebegehäuse eingraviert. 1 = Gehäusetyp   1 = J-Car Fam. 2   2 = J-Car V6   3 = J-Car L850   4 = T-Car Fam. 2   5 = T-Car L850 2 = Getriebecode Radsatz und Abtriebsübersetzung   1. Ziffer Radsatz:   0 = SR (Short ratio)   1 = WR (Wide ratio)   4 = SRT (Short ratio Turbo)   2. Ziffer Abtriebsübersetzung:   0 = 3,74   1 = 3,84   2 = 3,95   3 = 4,17   4 = 3,63 3 = Jahresendzahl 4 = Seriennummer 5 = Getrag interner Änderungsindex 6 = Opel/Vauxhall-Teilenummer 7 = Alphacode 8 = Barcodeaufkleber F23 Variante 2 Der Getriebetyp ist an der Oberseite erhaben eingegossen. Der Alphacode ist an der Oberseite gestempelt. 1 = Getriebetyp 2 = Alphacode 3 = Jahresendzahl 4 = Seriennummer 5 = Getrag interner Änderungsindex 6 = Opel/Vauxhall-Teilenummer 7 = Herstellerwerk 8 = Radsatz   01 = WR (Wide ratio)   02 = SR (Short ratio) 9 = Jahresendzahl 10 = Seriennummer 11 = Alphacode Gang Übersetzung F23WR F23SR F23SRT 1. 3,577 3,577 3,577 2. 1,887 2,022 2,022 3. 1,192 1,348 1,348 4. 0,848 0,977 0,977 5. 0,686 0,809 0,790 R 3,308 3,308 3,308 Kupplung hydraulisch Schaltung Seilzug Gewicht ca. 42,8 kg Ölfüllmenge ca. 1,75 Liter Getriebeöl SAE 75W-85 API GL4 Modell Motor Getriebecode Achsantrieb Alphacode Astra G Z20LET F23SRT 3,632 = 69/19 TR, AF Y20DTH F23WR SB, AG, AB X20XEV F23SR 3,737 = 71/19 SH X20DTL F23WR 3,842 = 73/19 SA X20XER F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 TS X20XEV F23SR SC Z22SE F23SR SF, AH Astra H Z17DTH F23WR 3,947 = 75/19 QJ Corsa C Z17DTH F23WR 3,632 = 69/19 QF Combo C Z17DTH F23WR 3,842 = 73/19 QG Meriva A Z17DTH F23WR 3,842 = 73/19 QG Signum Y20DTH F23WR 3,737 = 71/19 XU Z22YH F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 XY Speedster Z20LET F23SRT 3,632 = 69/19 AF Z22SE F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 TN Vectra B X20XEV F23SR 3,737 = 71/19 SR X20DTH, Y20DTH F23WR SP X25XE, Y26SE F23SR 3,842 = 73/19 SK X20DTH, X20DTL, Y20DTH F23WR SL X20XEV F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 SS Z22SE F23SR ST X20DTL F23WR SM X20XEV F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 SQ Vectra C Y20DTH F23WR 3,737 = 71/19 XU Z22SE, Z22YH F23SR 3,947 = 75/19 XX Z22YH F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 XY Zafira A Z20LET F23SRT 3,947 = 75/19 DZ Z22SE F23SR 4,167 = 75/18 SG X20DTL, Y20DTH F23WR SJ, AK, AJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Letzte Änderung: 13.05.2010 Impressum | Kontakt | Gästebuch | Links | Updates | Besucher: 1.854.510 Copyright 2004 - 2013 by Tobias Hartmann My confusion is caused by the fact that the list above has no mention of the AW code. The box I have came out of a Zafira A Gsi with the Z20LET though

[harboged]

BTW. They sell this on eBay. Is that to change the FD ratio? If so, is it complicated to install it?

  Yeah that would pretty much mean you would have to strip the gearbox down to component level (on the output shaft at least). Fine if you're getting a full gearbox rebuild, but if you just want the lower FD (3.95) in your turbo, you'd be much easier finding a complete NA gearbox and just swapping the complete shafts, diff etc. over to your turbo clutch side housing / case.   P.s - You need to refer to the below link which will tell you the ratio's for each alphacode: http://www.opel-info...triebe/f23.html

One more question on this In order to change the FD from 3.63 in the z20let box to 3.95, would it not be enough to simply swap the crownwheel to one with 75 teeth that exists in many boxes? It's much easier than swapping the complete shafts etc and as a bonus you keep the taller 5th gear that's not in the 2.2 box.