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[D-DAWG83]

Mrs needs a new car for the 20k she is now doing. Her Leon Cupra R is being wasted sat on motorways. Wondering what deals are out there and where the best places to start looking would be. Ideal car would be a Golf GTD or something similar, but open to suggestions. Never leased a car privately before so new to it all.

[fezzasus]

Does a lease make sense?

 

There are plenty of cars that have pleateaued on the depreciation curve that will be reliable for 3+ years despite putting on loads of miles. The car that comes to mind for me in the Vauxhall Insigna. Get a 2.0 CDTi for about £5k, run it for about 3 years and sell it for about £5k. Seems much cheaper than paying for a lease and having nothing at the end. 

 

http://www.autotrade...ge=50000&page=1

 

http://www.autotrade...INSIGNIA&page=2

[The Batman]

My brothers Vauxhall insignia with 70k miles on (fsh) engine died. Oil pump failure 1 day after warranty ran out and vauxhall wouldn't do anything!

Edited by The Batman, 14 January 2017 - 12:27 PM.

[Wolfstone]

And its an Inspidnia. I mean....just look at it. And that dash!

[fezzasus]

My brothers Vauxhall insignia with 70k miles on (fsh) engine died. Oil pump failure 1 day after warranty ran out and vauxhall wouldn't do anything!

 

I think the 2.0 CDTi is mostly reliable, however no engine is completely reliable. Assuming the car is a total loss every 3 years, that still compares pretty well to a lease, for example:

 

Used 50 k Insignia cost over 3 years = £140 per month

 

New Golf GTD on 3 year lease with an initial deposit of £5000  = £317.57, or factoring in deposit cost over the same time period. £456 per month

 

And its an Inspidnia. I mean....just look at it. And that dash!

 

I'm not saying the Insigna is a fun car, i'm saying it's a low cost option for someone driving a high distance which still gets you a modern car with most of the features you want.

[Wolfstone]

Was only having a bit of a laugh Tom. Your logic is spot on. But still....that orange glow dot matrix central display!!!

[The Batman]

I agree with ya fez if a used car is reliable then it's a no brainer I think my brother was unlucky can't believe Vauxhall didn't do anything as it was 1 day out of warranty... , it was a 2.0 cdti

[Wolfstone]

IBob had issues with his diesel Insipidnia when he owned one about 5 years or so ago. Really poor fuel economy that the dealer and Vauxhall could never explain. Edit....just found his thread: http://www.vx220.org...s/?fromsearch=1

Edited by Wolfstone, 14 January 2017 - 03:14 PM.

[fezzasus]

not surprising. The only way to get good MPG at high speed is to disable the aftertreatment needed for the emission testing. A lot of the diesels coming off the line now are pretty poor for fuel economy - i know someone at work who's trying to hand back their A class diesel because it's so poor. 

[Wolfstone]

I had a 2.4 diesel Alfa 159 for a couple of years. Lovely place to sit in but even on a very long steady journey at 60mph I struggled to get more than 42mpg. And DPF issues galore! I'd never have another diesel.

[fezzasus]

I had a 2.4 diesel Alfa 159 for a couple of years. Lovely place to sit in but even on a very long steady journey at 60mph I struggled to get more than 42mpg. And DPF issues galore! I'd never have another diesel.

 

It's not even the fuel type. At steady state above around 30 mph it becomes a function of the drag coefficient, all engines are good at steady state operation so will be close to their max efficiency. The difference between diesel and gasoline under these conditions is fairly small (but significant for all road freight to use diesel). There is a much greater difference in transient operation such as heavy traffic.

 

I'm looking to replace my diesel too, but that's mostly because it doesn't even warm up until I get to work.

[The Batman]

 I get 28 from my diesel bimmer already changed the dpf

 

worst thing is i dont even rag it as i dont want to break it

Edited by The Batman, 14 January 2017 - 03:45 PM.

[Mangham54]

Out of my cranky old dismal I get a genuine 60mpg on my daily commute. Fully loaded with roof box to Cornwall got 55mpg, with most of the journey at 85mph. It is only meant to get 48mpg combined. 2ltr PD Octavia

[D-DAWG83]

Went and looked at a Volvo V40,which was really nice, though not as nice as the V90 they had, those things are incredible. We also went and looked at a Citroen C3, which im not a massive fan of, but they are so cheap! Trouble is, even the top line Flair edition does not have leather seats, but the mid range one does, which i dont understand, and its half the price if the Volvo, and you can feel that. However its not my decision. The GTD is pretty much out, as its too similar to the Leon, and she wants something abit different.

[christhegasman]

I had a 2.4 diesel Alfa 159 for a couple of years. Lovely place to sit in but even on a very long steady journey at 60mph I struggled to get more than 42mpg. And DPF issues galore! I'd never have another diesel.

My current 159 estate is similar as far as results go but my PDF is no more as it clogged every month or so and I had to go for a blast from j21 to 20 and back to get it to regenerate 😡The wasted fuel on these spirited journeys made it an expensive option but remapped it is fine

Edited by christhegasman, 14 January 2017 - 09:09 PM.

[fezzasus]

 

I had a 2.4 diesel Alfa 159 for a couple of years. Lovely place to sit in but even on a very long steady journey at 60mph I struggled to get more than 42mpg. And DPF issues galore! I'd never have another diesel.

My current 159 estate is similar as far as results go but my PDF is no more as it clogged every month or so and I had to go for a blast from j21 to 20 and back to get it to regenerate 😡The wasted fuel on these spirited journeys made it an expensive option but remapped it is fine

 

 

The problem is, these cars were the first generation to have DPFs fitted and they were essentially retrofitted to a engine and chassis not designed for them. The only place to put them is under the rear seats in the gear tunnel, which means they run much cooler and need much more fuel to regen. Latest iterations put the DPF right at the end of the turbo and run much hotter, meaning they tend to regen naturally. 

 

159 location (as well as a lot of DPF implementations in the mid 2000's) 

 

EA288 DPF location (lower canister)

 

[Wolfstone]

I had a 2.4 diesel Alfa 159 for a couple of years. Lovely place to sit in but even on a very long steady journey at 60mph I struggled to get more than 42mpg. And DPF issues galore! I'd never have another diesel.

My current 159 estate is similar as far as results go but my PDF is no more as it clogged every month or so and I had to go for a blast from j21 to 20 and back to get it to regenerate 😡The wasted fuel on these spirited journeys made it an expensive option but remapped it is fine

Mine was so bad in the end I had to run it every month from Jcn 15 right up to Jcn 22 to force the regen.

[christhegasman]

I had a 2.4 diesel Alfa 159 for a couple of years. Lovely place to sit in but even on a very long steady journey at 60mph I struggled to get more than 42mpg. And DPF issues galore! I'd never have another diesel.

My current 159 estate is similar as far as results go but my PDF is no more as it clogged every month or so and I had to go for a blast from j21 to 20 and back to get it to regenerate 😡The wasted fuel on these spirited journeys made it an expensive option but remapped it is fine

Mine was so bad in the end I had to run it every month from Jcn 15 right up to Jcn 22 to force the regen.

😳

[christhegasman]

 

I had a 2.4 diesel Alfa 159 for a couple of years. Lovely place to sit in but even on a very long steady journey at 60mph I struggled to get more than 42mpg. And DPF issues galore! I'd never have another diesel.

My current 159 estate is similar as far as results go but my PDF is no more as it clogged every month or so and I had to go for a blast from j21 to 20 and back to get it to regenerate 😡The wasted fuel on these spirited journeys made it an expensive option but remapped it is fine
 

 
The problem is, these cars were the first generation to have DPFs fitted and they were essentially retrofitted to a engine and chassis not designed for them. The only place to put them is under the rear seats in the gear tunnel, which means they run much cooler and need much more fuel to regen. Latest iterations put the DPF right at the end of the turbo and run much hotter, meaning they tend to regen naturally. 
 
159 location (as well as a lot of DPF implementations in the mid 2000's) 

 
EA288 DPF location (lower canister)
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Thanks that explains a lot 👍🏻I had never really thought about old and new positions of dpf units

Edited by christhegasman, 14 January 2017 - 10:35 PM.

[Chacha]

Get a hybrid! Ioniq is £700 deposit snd £233 per month for 20k annual miles. Around 70mpg too https://www.contract...oniq/151003417/