39 replies to this topic

[casino]

Electric Ferraris? Electric McLarens? Electric HGV's? .......Good bloody luck with yer Electric 747! Enjoy your internal combustion engines while you can. . .

[SteveA]

It's the right thing to do, needs to be 10 years sooner IMO.

[Craig S]

It is only cars not planes or HGVs. Will need to get the range of electric only cars sorted out pretty quick though.

[Pidgeon]

Meaningless.

 

Isn't is electric or hybrid?  I have a hybrid VX, I press the starter to give me an extra 1/2 HP on demand

 

The world has plenty of oil, I guess we'll burn that to produce all the electricity we need.

[fiveoclock]

The oil will get burnt one way or another. The Arabs arent going to allow their resource to go to waste

[Alastair]

It's the right thing to do, needs to be 10 years sooner IMO.

 

Totally agree...  22 years is a lifetime in car design.  I am guessing we still had Mk3 Escorts around 22 years ago, look how far we have come since then.  The technology from current Teslas etc will be in most mainstream cars in 10 year so adding another 12 years on for a ban is pointless.    The UK should try and lead by introducing the ban sooner than the rest of the world and trying to encourage us to build an industry on this technology. 

 

On a really positive note as well, the sooner cars become electric, the more petrol is left for me to use.  Hopefully there will be lots of Italian V8's going cheap for me to fill up at the pumps then.

Edited by Alastair, 26 July 2017 - 09:33 AM.

[The Batman]

Does this mean put plastic shit boxes will be worth more lol

[Rosssco]

Makes total sense really, although I'm sure the romanticism associated with the ICE will take a while to fade.. Plus there's a plenty companies who'll do electric drive conversions these days if you really love your vehicle (though it'll weigh a bit more..)

 

The electric infrastructure is well established. People seem to baulk when the concept of installing a charging station at their home, or converting fast-charging infrastructure nationally - when you look at the downstream oil industry and the distribution and supply network to get fuel into your car, its a circus, and you'd never select that option if you were to start from new - its just so convoluted and inefficient, but we've grown up with it so it seems weird to not operate that way. In fact the concept of putting a ICE (with all the associated complexity associated with this incomparision to a electric drive system) in a passenger vehicle is out dated, again, something we've clung onto as a society far longer than we really should have..

 

In the future, you'll still be able to aquire petrol / diesel, but it'll be very expensive and limited in distribution once EV's become the mainstream.

[Craig S]

26 million cars plugged in every night so better start building the power stations now or turn the coal ones back on 

[Rosssco]

26 million cars plugged in every night so better start building the power stations now or turn the coal ones back on 

 

It doesn't necessarily work like that though. Look at peak electricity demand during the day and compare it to the wee hours, and you'll see there is massive change in demand between the two.

 

Its more likely that energy costs will go up as demand (in previously low demand times) will go up.

 

Saying all that, there is a real issue with future generation capacity (generally, but EV's will compound the issue somewhat).  

[ChrisS1]

All these wonderful power stations that people clamour to have built as close as possible to them because they only emit rainbows and sunshine.

[woodsy_mv6]

All these wonderful power stations that people clamour to have built as close as possible to them because they only emit rainbows and sunshine.

 

Still more efficient then ICE, and out of congested areas though...  

[christhegasman]

Or our beloved leaders could do something to make public transport reliable and affordable How the fcuk can I fly to Barcelona cheaper than I can get a train 100 miles to London ? 😡 Electric technology will be fine when a full charge only take a 5 minute stop at a garage/charge point some of us don't have time or want a 3 course meal every time we have to charge up 😀 And as soon as we have no choice the cost of using a charge point will go up 10 fold

Edited by christhegasman, 26 July 2017 - 11:48 AM.

[casino]

Will classic cars be worth anything by 2040+ ?

[Madmitch]

There seems to be enough Lithium to go around for the time being, and it can be recycled, but what about all the children in Africa etc who are already involved in Cobalt mining and also what about the fact that China controls about 95% of rare earth reserves used in the magnets in the motors?  They have already said they will give priority to their own domestic production.  Electric only production by 2040........... looks to me like just another fine statement that hasn't been thought through!! 

[The Knobs]

Induction charging is the only viable option I would say but not sure where technology is for that, I wonder if the US Russia and Asia will do the same, yeah right 

[The Knobs]

Maybe Mad Max is the way to go

[SteveA]

Gigafactories.

[fezzasus]

Induction charging is the only viable option I would say but not sure where technology is for that, I wonder if the US Russia and Asia will do the same, yeah right 

 

Don't agree. Inductive charging will have massive losses if applied across the road networks, making EV less efficient than combustion engine technology. The government has already made some indication that they're pushing people into home generation and storage of power, leading to a drive at day, charge at home model.

 

The question is what happens for those long journeys. Speculatively, while you can't buy a new car with a combustion engine from 2040, there's nothing stopping the government allowing rental of combustion cars for long range driving. Everyone will be leasing cars by then anyway...

[Nev]

Induction charging is the only viable option I would say but not sure where technology is for that, I wonder if the US Russia and Asia will do the same, yeah right 

 

How would you stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from "stealing" power...?

 

How would you pay for millions of miles of electrification? Bear in mind just electrifying something simple like the London to Swansea railway has been outstanding for decades and will cost 2.8 billion. And that's just 200 miles and they still can't/haven't done it.

 

Just cos a headline grabbing Govt official says something today to appear politically correct doesn't mean it will ever happen. By 2040 he will retired and too busy trying to spend his overpaid/siphoned/embezzled millions.

 

 

Edited by Nev, 27 July 2017 - 07:30 AM.