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With a Audi engine with 20 valves, turbo and +300 HP, look here: LINK

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[WoodenDummy]

Don't see why not. Unless someone else can think of something I've forgotten.

[Pidgeon]

Anything is possible. The biggest expense will be the map. The question is why?

[ShinyAndy]

Anything is possible. The biggest expense will be the map.

The question is why?

I must admit I was wondering the same !

I can see the appeal if you have a naily old head gasket failure abortion behind you but you'd already have a nice reliable Vx lump that can be easily tweaked to give you that level of power

[JimH]

I can understand wanting a sweet as a nut Honda or Toyota unit but why on earth would you want an engine that sounds like most of the nuts are lying in the sump? Nasty, nasty, nasty.

[iandhd]

Yeah why is it they all sound like diesels? Well the TT does anyway

[clipping_point]

To replace the turbo engine in a VXT with this one offers only marginal benefits. "The overall weight increases by 40 kg but the engine is mounted 50 mm lower and 40 mm further forward. The overall weight distribution only changes by 2%. With the right dampers and spring rates it is difficult to detect any change in the handling" This means that the car is even lighter than the VXT with this conversion because the Elise engine is much lighter than the VX 2.2. It might even be that this converion is lighter than the VX220, 875 kg!!!! And the Vaux 2.2 engine is not very easily tweaked, the tuning results sofar are marginal, around 180 HP. The Gruber 2.2 turbo kit costs roughly the same, gives you a heavier car, around 240 HP and 5 speeds.

[WoodenDummy]

You can get bags and bags and bags of power from that VAG 1.8T. Most of it done with a simple chip. The great thing is that AmD would be able to look after it as they work on VX's and the S3s and alike!

[Thorney]

There is no doubt its a clever install but Circuit Driver tested it and said it was too lumpy to drive and needed more mapping work (IIRC). I'm with Andy, if you have some manky HGF waiting to happen and want big power then it makes good sense or if you have an insurance write off and need a new lump but if you have a 2.2 or a VXT there are cheaper, simpler and frankly better ways to get power. However if I had a Elise I'd consider it, the Honda lumps look good but they're still only getting 220llb's of torque even a stage 3 VXT puts out 280llb's odd which is a huge difference on the road and on the track. Give Bernard (they guy who has done this conversion) credt, he's done a fine job on the install (I offered AmD's help in the mapping but he wanted to do it himself) and once they get the ECU to perform better it'll be a good car

[skogshuggarn]

I would rather put my money on a Honda engine K20A (220hp) from a ITR DC5 or a K20A2 from a european CTR (200hp) would work fine. K20A is the Honda engine that has the most tuning potential, and it wouldn´t cost that much to get some serious power from it www.hondata.com I had a Hondata reflash (CAI and exhaust allso) in my last car, a CTR-02 and it would eat my Speedster for breakfirst any day of the week. I have a downloaded, 5MB, filmclip of a tuned K20A powerd Exige race a stock Exige, guess how that ends /I´m a ex Hondafreak!! Some of the hondas I have had: Accord Type R-99, S2000-99, Integra Type R-98, S2000-00, Civic Type R-02

Edited by skogshuggarn, 12 October 2004 - 08:13 AM.

[clipping_point]

The Audi engine has 5 valves per cylinder so it should breathe more freely than the VXT. If the weight is less, in the level of the VX220 870 kg and it has +300 HP and 6 speeds then it is, on paper, a superior car.

[WoodenDummy]

I had a Hondata reflash (CAI and exhaust allso) in my last car, a CTR-02 and it would eat my Speedster for breakfirst any day of the week.

In what respect? My breathed on Mk3 MR2 would eat CTR's from the lights.

[ShinyAndy]

I would rather put my money on a Honda engine K20A (220hp) from a ITR DC5 or a K20A2 from a european CTR (200hp) would work fine.
K20A is the Honda engine that has the most tuning potential, and it wouldn´t cost that much to get some serious power from it
www.hondata.com

I had a Hondata reflash (CAI and exhaust allso) in my last car, a CTR-02 and it would eat my Speedster for breakfirst any day of the week.


/I´m a ex Hondafreak!!
Some of the hondas I have had:
Accord Type R-99, S2000-99, Integra Type R-98, S2000-00, Civic Type R-02

I disagree, I think a high reving peaky engine with bugger all torque doesn't suit a car like the VX at all (unless you spend your entire life on a track) ! Tuning options are pretty limited as well IIRC as the engine is already at a high state of tune so performance increases are minimal and cost a small fortune




[/Also ex-Hondalover]

1 x '88 CRX, 1 x '91 CRX VTEC Turbo, 1 x '89 CRX, 1 '92 Del Sol VTi + driven loads of ITRs, CTRs and s2ks (and hated them)

[skogshuggarn]

I disagree, I think a high reving peaky engine with bugger all torque doesn't suit a car like the VX at all (unless you spend your entire life on a track) ! Tuning options are pretty limited as well IIRC as the engine is already at a high state of tune so performance increases are minimal and cost a small fortune




[/Also ex-Hondalover]

1 x '88 CRX, 1 x '91 CRX VTEC Turbo, 1 x '89 CRX, 1 '92 Del Sol VTi + driven loads of ITRs, CTRs and s2ks (and hated them)

That´s why you should use the K20A instead of B18C6 that they normaly use in Lotus Elise
K20A has a peaky powerband, but it delivers more torque down low.
http://www.hondata.c...0a2euroctr.html

[WoodenDummy]

I had a Hondata reflash (CAI and exhaust allso) in my last car, a CTR-02 and it would eat my Speedster for breakfirst any day of the week.

I still don't understand why Reflash Civic would eat a VX.

[ShinyAndy]

That´s why you should use the K20A instead of B18C6 that they normaly use in Lotus Elise
K20A has a peaky powerband, but it delivers more torque down low.
http://www.hondata.c...0a2euroctr.html

Eh ? They use the K20A in the Elise conversions

More torque.. well I guess its all relative but I still don't think 145ish lb/ft @ 6500 is worth having

[skogshuggarn]

http://www.prototype....com/k20kit.htm
http://www.prototype...g.com/radar.htm
http://forums.s2ki.c...howtopic=180303


Everyone have diffrent taste...
But this i my personal choice instead of using a Audi turbo engine.
I have a N/A car, and will keep it that way. Otherwise, why not buy a VXT at once and save the money??
If you have a VXT, ther is not point in having a Audi engine conversion, it´s just fcuking expensive.

Edited by skogshuggarn, 12 October 2004 - 08:53 AM.

[skogshuggarn]

More pics of Audi instalation:
http://www.exiges.co...o=&fpart=1&vc=1

[ShinyAndy]

I was involved with Hondata in the very early days and helped develop the serial interface, launch control, etc. I was also involved with the first (in the uk) installation of the K20A in the s1 Elise and also the F20 in a Westfield so I know a little bit about it all I just dont think that the Honda power delivery suits a mid-engined lightweight RWD car and that if you're striving NA power characteristics then I can't think of anything more old school turbo feeling than a VTEC/iVTEC engine. Even though Honda have strived to flatten out the power delivery the difference is still marked between VTEC and non-VTEC power and thus gives the impression of a lack of power below the VTEC threshold which is really annoying ! Oh and I totally agree that the Audi conversion is an expensive waste of money in a VX but that it would be great in the HGF powered versions, as would the Durex conversion

[MacGyver]

By the way an elise with an Audi RS4 engine is for sale in France (even though I reckon the car actually is in Germany)

It says it's been prepared in collaboration with GMBH Audi Motorsport dept and Lotus.

Engine: RS4 4.2 430hp
0-100 km/h: 3.9s
Max speed: 318 km/h

Wanted price: ... 97500 euros

http://www.datacar.c...1_vo_338654.jpg
http://www.datacar.c...vo_338654_4.jpg

For more details about this "thing", see http://www.webcarcen...se/1055702.html