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#21 Arno

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:18 AM

Localised hotspots on the disc with pad deposits can also cause the iron crystal structure to turn into martensite.

 

This is an extremely hard type of iron which will react differently to the pad moving over it as far as friction coeficient goes and also not wear at the same rate as the rest of the disc giving a pulsing/juddering brake feel.

 

If this is indeed the case then it should show up if you try to have the brake discs skimmed/turned as there will be areas where the lathe tool will have a much harder time to take off the material. If it's deep enough then the disc can't be saved.

 

CL pads don't need a bedding-in process as long as conventional pads as they do not have a binding agent that needs to first be 'boiled off' to get the proper friction surface exposed (which is why the normal 'brake from xxx to yyy and repeat for zz times over a period of qqq' advice is given), but like any pad they do need a short bedding-in process until the pads (both inner and outer) have equal and consistent pad contact across the width of the disc.

 

Any 'stripes' or voids in the contact area will mean the disc will heat up un-evenly if it's heavily used promoting flexing of the disc because of differential expansion. If bad enough then the dics can permanently deform from the stress and needs to be turned down to be even and smooth again.

 

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:23 AM

 

I did not.
Was told it was not needed for the rc6 compound material.


Well it seems it is. I always bedded mine in. Heavy braking down from 30 then 50 then 70 always did the trick.

 

 

I did that when on RS14's, but can't remember behaviour as i had other issues like fluid boiling back then.

Will bed in the new set of disks and pads the same way. Thanks.


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#23 fiveoclock

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 10:27 AM


I did not.
Was told it was not needed for the rc6 compound material.

Well it seems it is. I always bedded mine in. Heavy braking down from 30 then 50 then 70 always did the trick.

I did that when on RS14's, but can't remember behaviour as i had other issues like fluid boiling back then.
Will bed in the new set of disks and pads the same way. Thanks.

As Arno says above RC6 don't need a long bedding in process just three hard brakes as I said will do it. Got any photos of the discs

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:06 AM

Big standard heavy OE like plain disks.
Run PF for years and RC6 last year.
Never warped a disk.

You don't brake hard enough :P 



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:22 AM

 

Big standard heavy OE like plain disks.
Run PF for years and RC6 last year.
Never warped a disk.

You don't brake hard enough :P

 

 

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:34 AM

It’s fine! Ask joe :lol:

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:35 AM

Foxy has airco though,

 



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 07:03 PM

How are the RC6? Do you need temp in them or do they bite from 0?

Thinking of having them in front with Mintex 1155 rears.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 07:38 PM

How are the RC6? Do you need temp in them or do they bite from 0?

Thinking of having them in front with Mintex 1155 rears.

 

Bite from cold.



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 08:48 PM

Bite from cold, better when hot.

 

Bed them in on the green flag lap.



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Posted 20 July 2020 - 06:39 PM

 

I did not.
Was told it was not needed for the rc6 compound material.


Well it seems it is. I always bedded mine in. Heavy braking down from 30 then 50 then 70 always did the trick.

 

 

Shout out to mr 5o.

Just bedded in my second set of pads on the same disk, and still going strong.

Disks are smooth as a baby's bottom.

 



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Posted 20 July 2020 - 08:07 PM

Out of interest do the RC6 last longer in track conditions to say the RS14 or RST3?
Wouldn't mind a little more longevity considering the price.

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 09:18 PM

This is for me personally (experience may differ for others)

Only these pads gave me confidence for really hard braking, thus i needed them less.
I can run at least a full season with them, which is 7isch trackdays.

On the Zandvoort straigh they get a real punishment, as i need to bring the car down from 140 mph to 40 mph to make the 180 corner.
They never miss a beat.

 

No idea how they hold up to rs14 (no idea what an rst3 is). I would guess the same on longetivity.

They brake much harder with initial bite compared to rs14 and rc5+

With the latter i almost ended in the gravel borrowing another car. They are not for me. (While others are perfectly happy with them)


 

 



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Posted 20 July 2020 - 09:48 PM

I'll buy me a set of RC8 one day  :wub:

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 10:23 PM

I think you will be very close to lock up every time with RC8 all around.

It's for rear only atm though right?

 



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Posted 21 July 2020 - 07:24 AM

I think you will be very close to lock up every time with RC8 all around.

It's for rear only atm though right?

Front only, I thought?



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Posted 21 July 2020 - 09:41 AM

 

I think you will be very close to lock up every time with RC8 all around.

It's for rear only atm though right?

Front only, I thought?

 

 

https://www.elise-sh...61aea6ed129ecf5
 



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Posted 21 July 2020 - 12:19 PM

 

 

I think you will be very close to lock up every time with RC8 all around.

It's for rear only atm though right?

Front only, I thought?

 

 

https://www.elise-sh...61aea6ed129ecf5
 

 

 

Does Yvo no credit IMO.  RC8 are available for the front.  Price has increased since I started using them, Yvo has a supply of rears at a very good price and the fronts come from the importers over here.  I've been through most flavours of pads over time.  Pagids fell out of favour due to the transfer issues.  When I switched to CL I thought I may as well start at the top.  They're a superb pad.  Produce a nasty corrosive dust, but good cold bite, no fade issues, excellent retardation without too much worrying of detaching the pedal box.  No transfer issues, good longevity.

 

This is with standard calipers and cheap discs.  There is no need to waste money on the hardware.



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Posted 21 July 2020 - 12:45 PM

 

Does Yvo no credit IMO.  RC8 are available for the front.  Price has increased since I started using them, Yvo has a supply of rears at a very good price and the fronts come from the importers over here

 

 

Linky for the fronts?

 



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Posted 21 July 2020 - 03:00 PM

https://clbrakepads....cing-brake-pads






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