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[ICD]

Going back to basisics and the start of the plan.

 

Groups A (vulnerable), B ( looking after A and providing necessary services) and C (the rest)

 

Group A. Now, is counting for the majority of the deaths occuring and plus some B and C

 

Group B. Numbers slowly rising, but also going through the natural immunisation phase. Will always be in the front line.

 

NHS is "coping", just, whilst still doing emrgency ops and also looking after the severe cancer cases etc., but even midwifes are dieing as they are in the "bad" environment.

 

Group C. Slowly being immunised, where they are stupid and or following full lock down.

 

Once Groups A and B are have been through the mill and numbers are controlled then C can be allowed out. With any fall out of further "bad" infections in Group C being managable by the NHS. I doubt there is anyone on .org who would not want a hospital bed were they in a "bad" way. The beds must be available in the first place.

 

When will Group C be allowed out of lock down. When the NHS can manage any potential further surge. Like everyone I hope its sooner than later, but patience is required. China had over 9 weeks. We have had just 2, ffs, and people are already going stir crazy.

 

It is my opinion, and wont go down with many but,  why is every one so uptight about a recession, are we all stock traders, do we need so much technology, do we need the latest widget. Must we have a bigger house, a better car.

 

I argued venemously with my father when he argued that he would not be proud of me if I turned up in a Rolls royce to show how well I had done. I have had time to reflect on his words over the last few weeks.

 

What is "our" problem, for me its summed up in one word, greed.

 

I finish with, my earlier statement. Be in debt or be dead. It is "our" choice.

 

Perhaps a referendum would sort it out. 

 

 

[Zoobeef]

And this one provides a bit of info on the actual costs we assign to people's lives in the UK. Slightly uncomfortable to read but offers some perspective.

 

https://drmalcolmken...ve-on-covid-19/

 

I've Mentioned these exact things previously to others.

The fact is that it would be political suicide not to act regardless of cost when you look at what the world is doing.

But my question is, one of my grans died of dementia last year, why is her life not worth as much as these and therefor dementia be given the equivalent budget per life (100k lives a year in the UK iirc).

[Zoobeef]

Going back to basisics and the start of the plan.

 

Groups A (vulnerable), B ( looking after A and providing necessary services) and C (the rest)

 

Group A. Now, is counting for the majority of the deaths occuring and plus some B and C

 

Group B. Numbers slowly rising, but also going through the natural immunisation phase. Will always be in the front line.

 

NHS is "coping", just, whilst still doing emrgency ops and also looking after the severe cancer cases etc., but even midwifes are dieing as they are in the "bad" environment.

 

Group C. Slowly being immunised, where they are stupid and or following full lock down.

 

Once Groups A and B are have been through the mill and numbers are controlled then C can be allowed out. With any fall out of further "bad" infections in Group C being managable by the NHS. I doubt there is anyone on .org who would not want a hospital bed were they in a "bad" way. The beds must be available in the first place.

 

When will Group C be allowed out of lock down. When the NHS can manage any potential further surge. Like everyone I hope its sooner than later, but patience is required. China had over 9 weeks. We have had just 2, ffs, and people are already going stir crazy.

 

It is my opinion, and wont go down with many but,  why is every one so uptight about a recession, are we all stock traders, do we need so much technology, do we need the latest widget. Must we have a bigger house, a better car.

 

I argued venemously with my father when he argued that he would not be proud of me if I turned up in a Rolls royce to show how well I had done. I have had time to reflect on his words over the last few weeks.

 

What is "our" problem, for me its summed up in one word, greed.

 

I finish with, my earlier statement. Be in debt or be dead. It is "our" choice.

 

Perhaps a referendum would sort it out. 

 

 

The options aren't in debt or dead though. Given the estimated CFR is about 0.6%. Looking at that and saying things like that buys into the medias picture that most will die if you catch it.

Simply won't happen.

[ICD]

 

And this one provides a bit of info on the actual costs we assign to people's lives in the UK. Slightly uncomfortable to read but offers some perspective.

 

https://drmalcolmken...ve-on-covid-19/

 

I've Mentioned these exact things previously to others.

The fact is that it would be political suicide not to act regardless of cost when you look at what the world is doing.

But my question is, one of my grans died of dementia last year, why is her life not worth as much as these and therefor dementia be given the equivalent budget per life (100k lives a year in the UK iirc).

 

 

Zoobeef

 

Dementia is a problem causing facultys to "implode" , you dont actually die from it. You die from a heart attack, stroke, tumour etc. How do I know, my father died a couple of years ago and had dementia for a very long time. Sorry your nan had it, its a shite problem to have to live with.

 

And yes, political suicide to do nothing, 100% agreed on that point.
 

[Zoobeef]

Should have really said with dementia mentioned on the death certificate.

 

New slogan for the government coming imminently though.

 

Save the NHS-Go to work-Pay your taxes.

[Wolfstone]

60 hour total curfew in Jordan from midnight tomorrow (Friday) until midday on Sunday. Follows on from the 36 hour total curfew last weekend. And nightly curfews throughout the rest of the week.

[hairy]

60 hour total curfew in Jordan from midnight tomorrow (Friday) until midday on Sunday. Follows on from the 36 hour total curfew last weekend. And nightly curfews throughout the rest of the week.

 

Blimey, I hope you've got plenty of gin and Ferrero Rochers stashed!
 

[Wolfstone]

Jordan stats:

Caseload: (372)
Cases confirmed today: (0)
Recovered: (170)
Deaths: (7)
Active cases: (195)

In a popluation of 9.7m

Edited by Wolfstone, 10 April 2020 - 05:12 PM.

[phil.d]

Where I live ( West Sussex ) the council has closed of all free car parks in my area but left open the pay and display car parks , if I were more cynical I would read something into that .

[coldel]

It’s quite nice to look at your borough stats. 150,000 odd people live in Richmond Upon Thames, yesterday 8 new cases tested. When you look at the numbers like that it does take away some of that paranoia that the big national numbers the media throw around each day.


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[smiley]

The Dutch today are under 100 dead today since the last few weeks.

 

[casino]

So, 3 months down wind and there are just a handful of cases left in London etc. Does this mean we’re finally safe and the Miley Cyrus has been beaten? Can we only be safe if no one in the world tests positive? 

[JG]

You need four things, none of which we really have yet:

- A manageable daily number of cases, to ensure tracing can be achieved.
- A decent testing facility where those manageable cases come from tens of thousands of daily tests (you can’t beat the system by simply testing less)
- A health service able to manage (arguable the best of the four, for now)
- Some form of mitigation for those affected, treatment and so on. Ideally it would also figure out what causes a higher reaction in some people (other than the known risk factors of age, gender, underlying conditions, lifestyle and so on)

[JG]

And there won’t be a sudden lift of the current situation.

-End of May for current situation to relax
-Schools night reopen a bit sooner (Please!)
-Some stores but not all
-WFH still strongly advised for all but Key Workers until the end of the year perhaps beyond.
-Think borders will open very gradually too.

[Zoobeef]

They haven't said for all but key workers to work from home.

The message is simple, if you can't work from home, go to work. Keys workers has nothing to do with it.

[ICD]

Volume testing will allow a yes or no "certificate"
Those positive allowed to go out
Those negative still at risk

In 4 weeks E. G Cambridge test centre will open
Combination of Astra Zeneca and Cambridge uni, opening up a brand new building
Needs fully fitting out for 100k tests a day... Ffs


Moving mountains to make this happen. I had a call, can you help source 1000 pc, s!

Magic wand time. Called in some favours.
All of this takes time but not normal 4 to 5 month fit out. Its amazing the short cuts that are happening. Call to BT and mention c19, yes sir how much bandwidth would you like

Patience for those in lock down is the word.

[Zoobeef]

The problem with antibody testing and then giving those with antibodies a certificate will encourage "carona" parties.

 

If that's the case and I'm negative then I'd definitely be actively looking be infected rather than sit at home waiting.

[jonnyboy]

I don't think they are at a stage where they can be 100% certain that if you have had it once you can't get it again so a passport system might not be something they can confidently role out.

I think in the coming 4 or 5 weeks we will see some relaxing of restrictions particularly in going outside and hopefully being able to razz about in the car. Also I think you'll see more "work to rule" as a lot of businesses closed voluntarily (maccy ds) these types of business will be back to it provided the rules don't get changed again. Things have to get going again or we will have done all this just to be fighting in the streets for food.

The next step is learning to live with it.

I think in wakefield we are at 277 cases total from 330k poulation. My inlaws are locked up in the house petrified of even going for a walk. I've tried to assure them there's almost no risk in going for a walk but they are having none of it. They seem to think something will come along to change the situation for them.

[ICD]

I don't think they are at a stage where they can be 100% certain that if you have had it once you can't get it again so a passport system might not be something they can confidently role out.



The next step is learning to live with it.

 

 

Jon

 

Exactly, once biten twice shy, it becomes more like the common "flu", but until you have had some kind of infection you just dont know how hard it will hit you.

 

Hence allowing those that proove positive out in the streets, in order to keep the flow of those waiting to be infected manageable as some will be bad

 

 

Zoobeef, you may already be positive, no one knows until they have been tested. Hence the speed of getting the vast test centres in place.

 

Think of the logistics, numbers rounded down

 

1000 testers, doing 100 tests a day over a 12 hour shift. 10000 a day

 

Another 1000 checking on the tests.

 

With another 1000 people doing the paper work processing. 10000 a day

 

One huge factory test unit, with the logistics of getting people through the sausage machine.
 

Edited by ICD, 13 April 2020 - 08:29 AM.

[Madmitch]

So with South Korea now reporting that 91 people who previously twice tested negative are now testing positive does this mean that 'recovered' patients are just as dangerous as those who are infected and not yet recovered?

 

There was a virologist on tv yesterday explaining that after infection this virus mutates differently around the body and so treatment with one drug may kill most of the infective virus but leave a resistant clump somewhere in the body which will later re-infect the patient.  Treatment needs to be with three different drugs simultaneously to be reasonably certain of a complete cure.  At the moment they are working on 50 odd different drugs and have one which looks to be a runner, once they have two more they will be able to develop a combination medication which should work well against this virus.