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#1 blackoctagon

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 05:16 PM

I received a set of new z22yh pistons and wanted to compare them to the z22se ones.
I chose the z22yh pisons because of the higher compression ratio and the improved design of the skirts for less friction.

PLEASE NOTE: The z22yh pistons here are 0.5mm oversized ones, and thus 86.5mm diameter and not 86mm, so the mass reported here will be slightly higher than standard ones.

z22se piston:
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You can see a flat ring around the piston and then a slight dish. That is there to create squish at TDC and bring more of the charge into the middle of the combustion chamber.
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Skirt shot:
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Gudgeon pin boss shot:
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Piston mass:
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Gudgeon pin mass:
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Combined piston and pin mass. Please note the pin locking clips are not present in this mass - the pistons will be revisited in another thread once they are modified and balanced, so i'll do it then as a final mass.
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z22yh piston skirt shot. Notice the black coating. This is a screen printed anti-friction coating. This works in two ways - the coating will wear quickly in high spots in the bore and create a conformed coating for the piston, so making the skirt smooth and it also gives better cold start (pre-oils pressures) properties.
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Gudgeon pin boss shot:
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Piston mass.
You can see the raised dome on the piston here. This added material in the combustion chamber raises the compression ratio. You can see a little rebated 'tongue' shape at the back - the z22yh has direct injection and this helps with the injection and injector. Sadly I won't get this benefit as these are going in a port injected engine But it does let you know quickly if you have put the pistons in the wrong way!
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Gedgeon pin shot. The pin is shorter and thinner than the z22se item, but appears to be the result of a more advanced stress analysis, as the waisting inside the pin is smoother, and/or better quality material.
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Because of the smaller gudgeon pin the total mass of the piston and pin is 387.8g, so just under 2g lighter than an z22se piston and pin. Thats a benefit to reciprocating mass. Again, please note the piston clips are not here.
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The pistons and their pins. You can see the z22yh pin in shorter.
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The wall thickenss of the z22yh (left) is significantly reduced from the z22se.
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z22se pin; 20mm:
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z22yh pin; 20mm also.
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You can see the length difference in the pins:
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And thats because the gudgeon pin bosses are closer together in the z22yh.
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The design of the z22yh is more like that you'd see in an aftermarket piston of the time period these engines came out in, and that's because the shape dosn't need to support such a wide skirt. The upshot being that you can use a lighter, shorter gudegon pin.
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#2 blackoctagon

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 05:24 PM

A side by side skirt comparison:
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Some underside shots for comparison
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And measurements between the tops of the pin bosses.
Measurements at the bottom of the boss may be more instructive as that determines the width of rod that can be used, but you can see it is a dramatic diference
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The pistons are now ready to be modified - z22yh for the new engine and z22se for the hell of it and ebay.


I am happy overall to see the z22yh are not just reworked z22se pistons (themselves very heavily derived from the GM Northsar V8 family and 1.9 inline 4 program for Saturn).

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Posted 10 January 2021 - 12:28 PM

VERY interesting..

Could you provide compression height of the z22yh piston ( distance from axis to piston flat top) and also the distance from axis to the step on piston head.
Thank you.

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Posted 19 January 2021 - 05:47 PM

Let me get back to you on these measurements - I have loaned out my height gauge and I am not expecting it back for a few days.

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Posted 28 February 2021 - 08:18 PM

2-20,
These are the piston pin and land (and dome) heights for the two types of pistons
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Please note that these measurements were taken with Cerakote on the piston tops, so there may the tiniest, but it will be in the range of 0.01mm or something equally tiny.

The z22yh pistons are now packed up for selling, so if I have mistaken your question for something else then i'm sorry.

Edited by blackoctagon, 28 February 2021 - 08:19 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2021 - 10:40 PM

Thank you very much...
Yes, it's exactly what I wanted to know...
I'm impressed because it makes a very high rise in compression ratio with this raised dome
Thanks again.

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 10:18 PM

If you want a set I have placed one of them on ebay.

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 07:44 PM

If you want a set I have placed one of them on ebay.


Thank you for your proposal, but they would give too high a CR with my skimmed head.




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