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#1 kdfisher

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 12:10 PM

Just done this morning a couple of hours tuition with Graham of Plans using the TG test track at Dunsfold. Really impressed with their set up and Graham's teaching style thumbsup . Made some huge improvements in technique - I've had lots of tuition over the last few years (Don Palmer, Andy Walsh and numerous track day instructors) and whilst I've been impressed with all of them I may have ended up with information overload - I liken it to layer upon layer of paint. Today, got back to some basics and big breakthrough was eradicating the understeer on turn in by really getting the weight on the front of the car - no understeer at Hammerhead :groupjump: At £200 for one-to-one tuition I got really value from it, subsequent sessions £170. All in all a big thumbsup Fish

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 06:49 AM

Nice one. thumbsup I'm up for doing one of these later this month :D

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 07:54 AM

How much time to you get with Graham, on and off track? chinky chinky

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:37 AM

How much time to you get with Graham, on and off track?

There's more info on Plans website but its about two hours or so split about 50/50 theory/practical. Because its one-to-one training its quite intense so 2 hours Graham reckons is about right. Course content is up to you which is a real plus point for me. It means you can really focus on the skills you want to improve.

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:59 AM

big breakthrough was eradicating the understeer on turn in by really getting the weight on the front of the car - no understeer at Hammerhead


The only way to cure understeer is wider fronts - it is a known fact thumbsup

(seriously, you have had previous driver training and never picked up anything about weight distribution?)

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 10:02 AM

The only way to cure understeer is wider fronts - it is a known fact thumbsup

...or drive more slowly :P

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 01:08 PM

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Plans Driver Training review from the eyes of a novice driver



Having just past that magic 1k mileage and got a first service out of the way, it was time to get to learn about my car.

Having looked at the forums and read haydj’s review I decided to go with a Plans driver training session.

Following the snow on Saturday night/Sunday morning I woke up this morning to a dry, sunny and cold morning.

I met up with Graham at their place about 8.15 and following coffee and a quick tour of the workshop, we discussed the outcomes I was looking for from this session.

“What cars have you driven in the past?” I was asked. Ermm….. Honda Estate, Mazda 5 seven seater, Chrysler Voyager. Not a promising start.

We spent quite a lot of time discussing weight distribution and its effects. At the time I was keen to learn and understand but even keener to get out into the car, however it has given me a lot to think about and I now have a much greater understanding of what happened during my session and more importantly a mental note pad of the car dynamics.

We got onto the track about 8:50am and Graham took my car for a couple of shakedown laps to see if it had any significant under or over steer characteristics. I was pleased to hear that everything was just fine. This was a real eye opener for me as I had never been a passenger in an Elise and also had never been round a track with someone driving (if only at 65%) at speed.

Now it was my turn. Being a Top Gear viewer it is quite an evocative moment sitting on the same start time as “them on telly” (yes I know I am sad). I did about 5/6 laps, being coached throughout, before we went onto the main runway to see how the car reacted to moving on and off the throttle, and how to brake hard and change direction.

We spent quite a bit of time weaving up and down the runway before be went to the end to do some power understeer and (traction control off) power oversteer. I was officially allowed to be a hooligan! Great fun.

Then back for a number of extra laps of the track before we finished. This was circa 10.20 and it was time for McClaren to shakedown a new SLR.

The Elise is my first performance car and this was the first time that I had actually “driven” it. Most excellent!

Outcome achieved – to gain confidence in the car, me as a driver and prepare for me for my first track day at Hullavington this Friday. Also it will make be a safer driver as I now know what is happening to the car.

I would like to thank Graham for his patience and skill to help me find the limit.

Conclusion: Intensive 90 mins or so on track, that really prepares you. Couple of track days and then I will be back for more and start to work on getting my driving style smoother.

Value for money: Worth every penny. Quality not quantity



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Posted 14 March 2006 - 02:44 PM

thumbsup Went there a few weeks ago for this ! Well worth it. thumbsup

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 03:21 PM

Sounds like good stuff thumbsup

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 04:39 PM

kd - what was the advice on how to eradicate understeer, was it braking hard and rolling off the pedal onto the throttle? slow in fast out? left braking to dab the brakes on turn in? I'm guessing wildly here and would be fascinated to know the real answer and no doubt it's a lot easier said than done. The course sounds superb. I want to do Walshy day (I've done a Don Day and that was amazing)

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 08:36 PM

kd - what was the advice on how to eradicate understeer, was it braking hard and rolling off the pedal onto the throttle? slow in fast out? left braking to dab the brakes on turn in?
I'm guessing wildly here and would be fascinated to know the real answer and no doubt it's a lot easier said than done.

The course sounds superb.
I want to do Walshy day (I've done a Don Day and that was amazing)

Basically, to turn in the second you come off the brakes - for whatever reason I was delaying between the braking and the turn in so the weight transferred on to the front initially was lost to the back again as the nose came up - if that makes sense :blink:

Following on from the Andy Walsh day, I had discovered the joys of trail oversteer i.e. staying on the brakes as you turned in which causes the back end to come out - this can be handy on a really tight handling circuit to bring the car round but won't be the quickest way around most corners on a normal track circuit. I experimented with the technique at the last VX day at Bruntingthorpe and whilst its good for showboating it wrecks the tyres.

I ran my car with OZ/s/Yokahamas last year (now sadly stolen :angry: ) and this eradicated alot of the inherent understeer - doing these courses however with the normal set up shows that with the right technique you don't need to suffer with excessive understeer. You may remember the TG episode where they run an Elise Mk 2 (same skinny fronts as the VX) and JC bemoans the understeer round hammerhead - the Lotus chief test driver (Gavin Kershaw?) then drives the same corner but with no understeer whatsoever.

I'm definately no driving god but always get loads of value from these sorts of courses - that's why I'll be booking another sesh in a couple of months time :)

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