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[jambar]

what is the best place to get a stage 2 tune [exhaurst and re map] acording to TMS website the graph shows round 230bhp but I was just reading the long term test of a vx turbo in EVO and the guy got 250bhp from CMP ????

[Guy182]

who are CMS in the title?

who are CMP in the posst?


having previous experiences of TMS and courtenays, id go to courtenays.
Thorney recently posted saying all his stage 2's are making 250bhp now...

http://www.vx220.org...ndpost&p=613067

[Tolksee]

Dyno readings are rather "subjective" - comparing 2 dynos will give different results on the same car. It seems the TMS dyno reads low compared to other dynos too. There are plenty of happy people who have had TMS remaps, and plenty of happy people who have had Courtenay remaps (like me!). Personally I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference between each company's stage2 if you drove them back-to-back. I'd just go to the one that's closest and more convenient to you.

[dw1]

Don' think you can go wrong with either. I had mine done with TMS and am very pleased with it and their service. Look at the power at the wheels figure to give a more real indication of tune and a a dyno is always a guide rather than real road reality so I wouldn't get too hung up on the top line figures. Also it's not just about top line bhp, its the mid range to consider as well. You will enjoy a stage 2, it's what the car should have been from the factory. EDIT: What Tolksee said more eloquently, only I was typing at the time. Also just read Guys post and link about the uprated software on the TMS remap. Perfect timing as I'm at TMS today for a service and have now requested the lastest software to be put on. Thanks Guy - should take my car from 227 to 250?? be interesting to see what that feels like.

Edited by dw1, 17 July 2007 - 11:19 AM.

[Winstar]

I'd say that if you only intend to stay at stage 2 level of tune then it doesn't really matter who you go with* however if your going to a higher state of tune then Courtenays seem to have the edge with their Charge cooler set up and klassen software. *Altough I'm looking forward to seeing the results of the 3" 2bular system.

[MIKE_VX]

Also just read Guys post and link about the uprated software on the TMS remap. Perfect timing as I'm at TMS today for a service and have now requested the lastest software to be put on. Thanks Guy - should take my car from 227 to 250?? be interesting to see what that feels like.

Nice one, I'm in for a service in a couple of weeks so will get this done then too, I take it they're still doing upgrades for free?

May need to revise my comments in this thread now though

[siztenboots]

I'd say that if you only intend to stay at stage 2 level of tune then it doesn't really matter who you go with* however if your going to a higher state of tune then Courtenays seem to have the edge with their Charge cooler set up and klassen software.

*Altough I'm looking forward to seeing the results of the 3" 2bular system.

Going to be very poor by the end of this month.

[ratboiler]

Depends on what state of tune you are going for in the end, remaps are like a drug have one and you want more and to be honest both companies have good reputations. If you think stage two will not be the end of it have a charge cooler fitted, it will give you optimum performance at stage two and leave the door open for a cheaper stage 4. I had a TMS stage two carried out and was advised to have the charge cooler fitted at the same time which I did. There is a massive increase in power from standard to stage two. I then jumped to stage 4 which again was a big increase in power. But be aware the performance will show up any defects in the suspension.

[dw1]

Depends on what state of tune you are going for in the end, remaps are like a drug have one and you want more and to be honest both companies have good reputations. If you think stage two will not be the end of it have a charge cooler fitted, it will give you optimum performance at stage two and leave the door open for a cheaper stage 4. I had a TMS stage two carried out and was advised to have the charge cooler fitted at the same time which I did. There is a massive increase in power from standard to stage two. I then jumped to stage 4 which again was a big increase in power. But be aware the performance will show up any defects in the suspension.

...and so it begins... the slippery and never ending slope into modifications... the more you do, the more you want

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Do courtneys have a website where you can see thier products/get prices??

[Winstar]

Do courtneys have a website where you can see thier products/get prices??

Clicky for Courtenay's

[MAP18W]

I'd say that if you only intend to stay at stage 2 level of tune then it doesn't really matter who you go with* however if your going to a higher state of tune then Courtenays seem to have the edge with their Charge cooler set up and klassen software.

Just some additional info regarding our CS2. With the full exhaust and dyno set up our Stage 2 software will produce about 18 psi overboost for additional mid range torque and hold 13 psi of boost at peak power which is a little higher than some software we have seen. This is why we can sustain a little more mid range torque and some additional top end power.

[SteveA]

I went to Courtenays for my stage 2 and am very happy with the service and results I received

[Thorney]

if your going to a higher state of tune then Courtenays seem to have the edge with their Charge cooler set up and klassen software.

I'd dispute that

Rather heavily actually.


We won't go anywhere near 18psi on a stage 2.

Might be why there are premature turbo failures and oil seapage issues on some cars.

Recommending thicker oil if your turbo leaks is also silly.

Beware of what you get.

[MAP18W]

if your going to a higher state of tune then Courtenays seem to have the edge with their Charge cooler set up and klassen software.

I'd dispute that

Rather heavily actually.


We won't go anywhere near 18psi on a stage 2.

Might be why there are premature turbo failures and oil seapage issues on some cars.

Recommending thicker oil if your turbo leaks is also silly.

Beware of what you get.

We'd dispute your dispute and raise you a dispute!

The standard turbo unit is will run at up to 23 psi so we are well within its tolerances running monentary overboost of 18 psi for extra mid range torque, which then drops through the rev range to 13 psi at peak power. My car was used for our original development and was worked exceptionally hard and showed no sign of turbo failure. Certainly with more Astra's than we can even begin to count running identical boost profile we've not been inundated with trubo failure issues.

[VXT Tim]

Our stage 2's are running around 250bhp now.

John, have the maps been through some sort of revision in the last few months???

Thanks
Tim

[Thorney]

Lets just say we'll disagree, but we both know the number of boost related failures caused by pressure.

[gazcaddy]

How come a TMS stage 2 is £149 more expensive than Courtenays stage 2?

[MAP18W]

Lets just say we'll disagree, but we both know the number of boost related failures caused by pressure.

Hmmmm....... No we're not aware of boost related turbo failure at 18 psi. If we were in any doubt about the turbo's ability we wouldn't put the software into the market. I am sure with the VX community being as close as it it we would have been made well aware of any issues and we have plenty of cars runnning Stage 2 software out there.

We are also aware of other tuners who run in excess of 20 psi on Astra using the standard turbo and certainly the Vauxhall community does not seem to be awash with boost related turbo failure.

The biggest problem for this turbo in the wider market seems to be the fleet markets insistance on 20k mile service intervals, at which point the oil has the consitancy of freshly laid tar which has long since passed its ability to offer any form of lubrication/protection against wear!

We are however aware of some software that isn't capable of making 18 psi overboost from our own testing and development.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Easy now ladies!! You're both nerds.... Lets just leave it at that! Here's one I'd like to know. I'm looking to Stage 1 my N/A. TMS is cheaper and more powerful..... Discus........ (cat, pigeons )