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#1 slindborg

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 08:55 AM

http://picasaweb.goo...tuart/Z22VsSAAB

CBA to link them all direct, and my work block most photohost sites so :P



The nice clean spangly head is Matts (techieboy) and the grubby rusty cammed head is my SAAB 1.8 turbo head.

we measured the inlet cam profile on Matts head, although not 100% accurately as the timing protractor I had was too big to fit in the f**king slot lol. Ive got an idea to remedy that by testing on the bench and using the rocker ratio to get real lift.

As a "poor" guess/feel the inlet and exhaust cams are the same profile for both heads, but the overlap timing will be different for the SAAB due to FI requirements being different.
I know this is documented in the appendix of the GM tuning book.

There are casting differences between the two heads in that the oil run aways appear slightly different, maybe to hold oil round the FI head exhaust valves for cooling...
Also the obvious lug on the non chain end of the head over the exhaust valve... will work out how to get round that, but im thinking of just cutting the end of the cam off to keep the oilway pressureised :D

The Z22 valves have more of a depression in them leading to the head making a lower CR, so the small drop in CR between the FI and N/A engines is in the pistons (as one would hope for to be honest)



As a side note, Matts head has been ported and to be fair, a bloody good job imho. All the right bits have been worked, the correct finish has been left and the splitter is nice and sharp for both sides of the head. Should work rather well once he works out how to get it on the car :poke:



oh yeah, and hes hen pecked lol

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 10:27 AM

Cool! thumbsup For each head, can you insert a standard sparkplug and measure how far from the top of the dome the bottom of the sparkplug's side electrode is.

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 10:39 AM

I can certainly do the SAAB head, but Matt will have to measure his (ooohhh er) you want to the end of the spark plug thread basically? I'll post a piccy of what I measure and he can simply copy.

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 10:40 AM

Great job there to see what little difference there is. If Matt wants to try his head on my car he is more than welcome I need a ported one chinky chinky

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 11:11 AM

I can certainly do the SAAB head, but Matt will have to measure his (ooohhh er)
you want to the end of the spark plug thread basically?


I'll post a piccy of what I measure and he can simply copy.


The end of the electrode if you can, or better still calculate the point at with the spark ignites.
I am curious to see if this point can be moved back further into the dome.

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 03:17 PM

As a side note, Matts head has been ported and to be fair, a bloody good job imho. All the right bits have been worked, the correct finish has been left and the splitter is nice and sharp for both sides of the head. Should work rather well once he works out how to get it on the car :poke:


It's in hand and it will be done! Although the project is now starting to take on a life of it's own. :blink:


oh yeah, and hes hen pecked lol


It's fine, after you left, I put on my best wife beaters and gave her a proper "seeing" to. Worse still, she even seemed to think you were a nice guy although was somewhat alarmed by the remnants of your lunch knocking around in the footwell of your car.

Thanks again mate, things made a lot more sense after that session. thumbsup

P.S. My neighbour was well impressed with the impromptu cylinder head appreciation society meet. :D

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 03:22 PM

Great job there to see what little difference there is.

If Matt wants to try his head on my car he is more than welcome I need a ported one chinky chinky



Hmmm. Let me think about that for a moment Nick.................Er, no, you're okay. I'm 90+bhp behind you SC guys and need all the help I can get. But, if you want to let me have that spare bottom end and Eagle rods, I've got an even better home for them (especially if you've had that crank lightened and balanced). :P

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 06:56 PM

I didnt want to leave the pizza box on your doorstep lol. And I dont really want to know how you gave her a good "seeing to" :P My old man has some Vee blocks that I'll nick to try and measure the cams properly :D

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 10:03 PM

Another good thread here thumbsup




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