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#1 old codger

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:20 AM

I am looking at the Thorney stage 2 tune with full milltek exhaust, which they say gives 18-20 bhp. With their re-map. Has anyone had this done and are the figures correct? Is it worth the money?

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:36 AM

Chuckle. Lets see the replies.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:39 AM

I had it done many, many moons ago when I was very naive. 147 before 158 after. Made a difference on the road but not much, there are better ways to spend the money.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:57 AM

Mmm, I see. It seems expensive for what is basically a re-map and new exhaust. £1550. Nothing simple in life is there? :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:18 AM

Car feels much sportier with Thorney stage 2. The other option is pricing up an equal quality exhaust inc new cat and pre-cat removal. Then there would be the cost of the map and fitting. To be honest I'm not sure you could buy a similar full exhaust system elsewhere, fit and map for a huge saving. It is a lot of money for a small power gain. Thorney 2 does change the power curve. As std car has plenty of mid range and not a lot of incentive to rev it. I found with Thorney 2 I was regularly hitting the rev limiter. I later fitted the ITG filter system. ITG sounds good but I felt I lost top end power, no more hitting rev limiter. Not sure if I recommend Thorney 2 or not. I think it comes down to: can you purchase equal quality hardware, fit and map for a better price. Talk to Courtneys they might or might not have a better option for you. One thing for sure is you are going to need a decent exhaust if you plan to do any further moding. The Thorney 2 might be a good place for you to start....

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:34 AM

....which they say gives 18-20 bhp.


18-20bhp on an NA engine with an Exhaust and remap.

You're having a giraffe!!!

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:44 AM



You're having a giraffe!!!


:lol: i wonder if he will map itb's and give me another 30 bhp :lol:

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:43 AM




You're having a giraffe!!!


:lol: i wonder if he will map itb's and give me another 30 bhp :lol:


I think that dyno will give you what ever you want. :gayfight:

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:44 AM

My superchips remap (on which TMS are based) gave me 6bhp. I very much doubt the zaust would give you 14bhp. I'm running ITG, remap, pre-cat removed and piper backbox and ive achieved the giddy heights of 156bhp. Thorney did once offer to remap my car fro free so i could see how much the TMS map gave over superchips, but theses generous offers in public never came to fruition when i tried to speak to him off the board.

Edited by LazyDonkey, 20 July 2010 - 10:45 AM.


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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:55 AM


Thorney did once offer to remap my car fro free so i could see how much the TMS map gave over superchips, but theses generous offers in public never came to fruition when i tried to speak to him off the board.

:o That's Scandalous!!

Expect a letter very soon! :P

It's not just TMS that give optimistic power claims though.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:06 AM

I'm running ITG, remap, pre-cat removed and piper backbox and ive achieved the giddy heights of 156bhp.

Exactly what I got with the Stage2+ with the ITG and the Milltek system and sports cat (well, I think I got an extra .5bhp). Was very disappointed with the actual numbers vs cost but in it's defence, it did make the car feel much better on the road.

Got much better results with the 2.4 inlet and the TMS 4-1 manifold and a shed load of expensive custom mapping. Finally came in at 180+bhp in the end.

In all honesty, that was actually a more fun drive than the car is now with the SC. Certainly not anywhere near as quick but really made you work the car on track and felt more rewarding when you put in a decent quick lap. Don't get me wrong I love the SC but, the large power jump can make you a bit lazier.

Would have saved myself a sh!t lot of money if I'd just gone straight for the SC conversion, rather than twatting around trying to wring a decent increase out of the NA. :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:07 AM

I can give your car 50bhp, just by looking at it and winking * *disclaimer, it might not be 50bhp as it depends if I like you or not.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:17 AM

*disclaimer, it might not be 50bhp as it depends if I like you or not.


Let me guess..... you don't like anyone! :dry:

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:28 AM


*disclaimer, it might not be 50bhp as it depends if I like you or not.


Let me guess..... you don't like anyone! :dry:



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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:42 AM

Was very disappointed with the actual numbers vs cost but in it's defence, it did make the car feel much better on the road.


DOnt get me wrong, i love the outcome in terms of drivability of the car but it's definately not worth it in terms of £ per bhp

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:50 AM

it's definately not worth it in terms of £ per bhp

Agreed. thumbsup

It's not so bad if you have any aspirations to doing more work which inevitably means you'll be needing a better exhaust anyway. But, pointless investing the money in a Milltek system if you do intend further modifications, as it'll only prove to be a bottleneck further down the line. Would be better buying the Tullett 2.5" system, although, if JT is to be believed, he won't then do any work on your car and you'll need to go to Courtenay's. :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:02 PM

Would have saved myself sh** loads of money if I had gone straight to SC rather than dicking around trying to get power from NA. The irony is that now I have spent so much on NA power, I don't think I'm going to have the dough to go SC, even if I wanted to. I'd say a low spec SC conversion (say 220hp) would be a lot cheaper than a high power NA converstion (say 190hp). I wish I had thought things through and gone down the route of low power SC. I'm going to Courtneys tomorrow. They are going to think I'm a bit of a chump to buy all the bits that are on my engine and still hit less than 175hp.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:08 PM

I wish I had thought things through and gone down the route of low power SC.



what is done canno't be change :(
went on this 2.4 inlet manifold stage and now have finally finish my supercharged itb's :D

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 02:25 PM

Fab, thanks for the support. I have no regrets. I did not really want the extra mass, heat and complexity of SC. It is just that the NA route was not straight forward. Stud snapped in head when changing exhaust manifold. Courtney mapping has not been a piece of cake. Hence my visit to them on Thursday (I was thinking it was arranged for Weds but I am clearly losing my memory). For reason best not explored I had new injectors fitted that were not strictly required. Assuming I get 175hp NA with excellent map I will be very happy. It should be a very exciting car to own. Each day I will drive by many people who never get the chance to own an exciting car. I am grateful for what I have. To the originator. My advise is Thorney 2 and stop there no more mods. Or bite the bullet and go straight to SC. Don't dick about like I did. ITB's are an (expensive) option and it is very expensive to build an engine that justifies their fitment. When I joined this site I received the same advice... and did not take it!! Most of all, ENJOY YOUR OWNERSHIP!!

Edited by Paulus H, 20 July 2010 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2010 - 02:44 PM

Fab, thanks for the support.


ITB's are an (expensive) option and it is very expensive to build an engine that justifies their fitment.




2.4 mods was the best i did for the vx value for money
itb's are xpensive but to really reap the full value of them mr vocky made the engine for them:closedeyes:
i don't regret every single £1000..i spent on this one ( and not trying to think how much i spent either)
very docile engine and well behave when i say so :P




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