24 replies to this topic

[turboluca]

just seen a 2004 vxt on pistonheads stage 3 going for 11k,with 11000 mileslow,thought that cheap,as i got to the bottom of the article,it said CAT B...is this allowed even tho the seller claims its been three years ands been taken off the logbook...i thought a salvage yard isnt suppose to sella cat b..as most of you know im from swansea and my friend in the dvla said stay well clear anybody....does anybody have any facts...just curious...seems like a nice example ...

[styles]

Iirc correctly there is nothing stopping anyone repairing a cat b and getting it back on the road. Getting insurance on the otherhand is another story altogether.

[michael harbour]

i picked up ca b 04 vxt for 6k fully repaired.

[MJay]

i picked up ca b 04 vxt for 6k fully repaired.

Cat B is to be broken only, Cat A is Destroyed.

No ifs, No buts. Insurance will be nigh on impossible.

If it was a CAT B then he will not have a log book. I own iCarCheck so if you want me to run it through he DVLA PM me.

Edited by MJay, 26 October 2010 - 06:15 PM.

[p4cks]

I've seen a fully VXL repaired VXT for £5.5k before so it can be done. ETA: CAT C

Edited by p4cks, 26 October 2010 - 06:20 PM.

[styles]

As long as you replace the tub and get it checked what's the issue?

[MJay]

As long as you replace the tub and get it checked what's the issue?

http://motorsalvagedirect.com/abi.php

http://car-salvage.org/blog/?p=450

http://www.salvagesp..._guidelines.php

http://www.click-car...car_salvage.htm

http://www.motorsalv.../abicodes.lasso

http://www.allpartss...categories.html

Edited by MJay, 26 October 2010 - 06:31 PM.

[styles]

There is no law to stop anyone from returning a cat b to the road. As long as it has had it's VIC, mot and an isurer is willing to insure it then it's back on the road. There is only a gentlemans agreement between insurers, scrappies and the dvla to try and stop cat b's being returned to the road.

[jonnyboy]

11k? Why not just buy a straight one?

[TheRealVXed]

The actual definitionas are as below taken from Here

o Category A:

Scrap only - this vehicle should be crushed. It should never reappear on the road and there are no economically salvageable parts. It is of value only for scrap metal - e.g. a totally burnt-out vehicle.

o Category B:

The bodyshell should be crushed. The vehicle should never reappear on the road, but it can be broken for spare parts plus any residual scrap metal.

o Category C:

Vehicle extensively damaged and insurer has decided not to repair. May be repaired and put back on the road. Has to pass an inspection costing £36 (2007 price) to be re-registered as damaged repaired.

o Category D:

Vehicle damaged and insurer has decided not to repair. When fixed can be re-registered as damaged repaired.



Under no circumstances should a catagory B vehicle/chassis appear on the roads again.

[N17VES]

The actual definitionas are as below taken from Here

o Category A:

Scrap only - this vehicle should be crushed. It should never reappear on the road and there are no economically salvageable parts. It is of value only for scrap metal - e.g. a totally burnt-out vehicle.

o Category B:

The bodyshell should be crushed. The vehicle should never reappear on the road, but it can be broken for spare parts plus any residual scrap metal.

o Category C:

Vehicle extensively damaged and insurer has decided not to repair. May be repaired and put back on the road. Has to pass an inspection costing £36 (2007 price) to be re-registered as damaged repaired.

o Category D:

Vehicle damaged and insurer has decided not to repair. When fixed can be re-registered as damaged repaired.



Under no circumstances should a catagory B vehicle/chassis appear on the roads again.

Anything can be put on the road as long as it passes the relevant checks/approvals - commen sense really. To put a CAT B back on the road, you'd hav to treat it like a new car / kit car with IVA and a new VIN. Although, I'd expect the car would probably end up 'Q' reg though.....

[turboluca]

im going to ask my friend again in the dvla ,to ask someone higher up the ladder to shed some light on it....theres lots of different opinions....good to know everyones tho..

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Surely the tub is the car and a Cat B car rebuilt using a new tub has in theory been used for spares only. IMO the tub/chassis is the ID of the car and the registration should reflect this. This is opinion not fact before I get

[slindborg]

Surely the tub is the car and a Cat B car rebuilt using a new tub has in theory been used for spares only. IMO the tub/chassis is the ID of the car and the registration should reflect this.

This is opinion not fact before I get

Agreed...

In that situation the CAT B car has been used for spares and therefore the 'new' tub is the car being registerd/taxed/insured ratehr than the CAT B

[N17VES]

Surely the tub is the car and a Cat B car rebuilt using a new tub has in theory been used for spares only. IMO the tub/chassis is the ID of the car and the registration should reflect this.

This is opinion not fact before I get

Agreed...

In that situation the CAT B car has been used for spares and therefore the 'new' tub is the car being registerd/taxed/insured ratehr than the CAT B

Yes...and it wouldn't have to be literally a new tub, as you would treat the existing tub (if not damaged) as a new one from a 'donor vehicle'(water damaged cars are often Cat B due to H&S).

I don't even think The CAT B status would be listed at all, because it would be treated as a new car.

[turboluca]

Surely the tub is the car and a Cat B car rebuilt using a new tub has in theory been used for spares only. IMO the tub/chassis is the ID of the car and the registration should reflect this.

This is opinion not fact before I get

Agreed...

In that situation the CAT B car has been used for spares and therefore the 'new' tub is the car being registerd/taxed/insured ratehr than the CAT B

Yes...and it wouldn't have to be literally a new tub, as you would treat the existing tub (if not damaged) as a new one from a 'donor vehicle'(water damaged cars are often Cat B due to H&S).

I don't even think The CAT B status would be listed at all, because it would be treated as a new car.

i hpi checked the car ,and it came up as cat b, and said ....BREAK FOR SPARE PARTS IF ECONOMICALLY VIABLE

[TheRealVXed]

I agree with Cliffie and Slindborg also. The "car" if you like is only the chassis. The body work etc is fully transferable. Only when you change the chassis does it become a different car. Take for example Geoff on Top Gear, maintained the license plate etc from the TVR donor vehicle as the chassis is registered and road leagl even though the body and mechanicals had completely changed. The "Q" plate is issued to a car where it's age is undeterminable due to the mixture of parts (i.e full on kit cars where different donor chassis are used, or majority parts are new and chassis is old, or if the original chassis is of underterminable age) What you are esentially doing whenrepairing a Cat B is changing the body panels onto a new chassis as the Cat B chassis can never be used. If I was you if HPI is still showing that that reg mark and VIN combination are saying Cat B w/o then I definately wouldn't touch it. As it stands it may be that the registration mark was transferred to the new VIN when the repairs were completed hence why HPI is telling you it is still a Cat B.

[N17VES]

I agree with Cliffie and Slindborg also. The "car" if you like is only the chassis. The body work etc is fully transferable. Only when you change the chassis does it become a different car. Take for example Geoff on Top Gear, maintained the license plate etc from the TVR donor vehicle as the chassis is registered and road leagl even though the body and mechanicals had completely changed.

The "Q" plate is issued to a car where it's age is undeterminable due to the mixture of parts (i.e full on kit cars where different donor chassis are used, or majority parts are new and chassis is old, or if the original chassis is of underterminable age)

What you are esentially doing whenrepairing a Cat B is changing the body panels onto a new chassis as the Cat B chassis can never be used.

If I was you if HPI is still showing that that reg mark and VIN combination are saying Cat B w/o then I definately wouldn't touch it. As it stands it may be that the registration mark was transferred to the new VIN when the repairs were completed hence why HPI is telling you it is still a Cat B.

Correct.

I think a CAT B car is suppose to have the VIN removed. You can however have a CAT B water damaged car does not require a new chassic - in that case, the existing chassis will still need a new VIN, which easy enough to through as this is what you have to do with a kit car. It would then either default to a 'Q', or the registration of the previous vehicle depedning on % of parts used from the donor.

Assuming the car is structually ok, its just paperwork - the price should reflect this though.

[TheRealVXed]

To obtain a new VIN you need to have a SVA (single vehilce approval) test. This comes with a certificate etc which should all be present in the car's history (it costs about £300 all in)

[N17VES]

To obtain a new VIN you need to have a SVA (single vehilce approval) test. This comes with a certificate etc which should all be present in the car's history (it costs about £300 all in)

SVA was replaced in 2009 with IVA (Individual vehicle approval)