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#1 snotvomit

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 06:02 PM

Just wanted to post this info for anyone considering using Toyo R1R's...


I bought some Toyo R1R's ready for track day at Cadwell Park next week :)

When I received the Tyres, they had stickers on. The stickers were a print-off of this advisory:

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The rubber compounds used in these tires have unique properties that, when compared to other tires, can cause them to lose some of their flexibility when stored and operated at sub-freezing temperatures. This loss in flexibility can lead to potential cracking and other damage to the tire.

TO MINIMIZE THE CHANCES OF THIS HAPPENING, CONSUMERS AND INSTALLERS ARE ADVISED TO FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS DURING SUB-FREEZING CONDITIONS:

1.Do not operate the car with these tires, as the tires may suddenly fail.
2.Always store these tires indoors at temperatures above 32°F (0°C).
3.Before mounting or dismounting, store these tires for at least 24 hours in a temperature-controlled environment of 68°F (20°C) or warmer.
4.Remove these tires from the vehicle and deflate to half the normal air pressure during prolonged periods of non-use or storage.
5.Do not move a car that is in storage with these tires, as the tires may crack.



As you can see, the photo on the pdf file looks very worrying, as does the wording of the advisory itself.

The problem is that I was going to put them on this evening and the weather forecast is for -2°C tonight.


After some digging I found a revised advisory:

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- mostly the same wording but with this at the top:

Recommendations on the Proper Use and Handling of Certain Toyo Tires This advisory supersedes TSD-07-001, dated November 15, 2007, and applies only to the following products:

All Proxes R1R. All Proxes R888. All Proxes RA1.


and a very important difference here:

1. Do not move or operate the car with these tires in conditions below 15F (-9°C). ALWAYS INSPECT FOR SIGNS OF CRACKING! NEVER USE TIRES THAT HAVE CRACKED!
2. Avoid moving these tires in conditions below 15°F (-9°C).



Which caused me some confusion. If the revised advisory was correct then I had nothing to worry about, but he stickers on the tyres were the 2007 advisory. The DOT code on the tyres showed them to be produced in week 24 of 2009.

I contacted Toyo UK and spoke with Alan Meaker (Technical and Motorsport Manager).

He explained that the latest advisory is the correct one and that the Tyres should be OK as long as the temperature isn't excessively cold, so if it goes down to -2°C tonight, the tyres should be fine (they're already fitted to the wheels now - the wheels just have to go on the car).

I will inspect the tyres over the next couple of days and in the unlikely event that there is cracking, I will report it to Toyo and here on the forums.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 06:12 PM

Not heard of any problems with winter use, there are a fair number of people on SELOC who run them. Just about to get a set myself.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 06:21 PM

2007 may have been when the R888s were the older compound (which I wasn't impressed with, offered nowhere near the current grip and wear). Could be something to do with that, and maybe those stickers are old stock or been left on their to entirely cover their arses.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 07:15 PM

888's have always carried that warning and have yet to implode/explode on me, despite having used them and left them fitted during plenty of below frozen days and nights.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 11:00 PM

I seem to remember a member here who lives in Switzerland but now frequents the 'other' place frequently saying the critical temperature for summer tyres is 7 degrees centigrade. Lower than that and the road holding ability of summer tyres is drastically impaired. For this reason they have winter tyres on the continent and it can be illegal to drive in some places there on summer tyres. I was out today and had wheel spin in 2nd and 3rd under hard acceleration, something I get a lot in winter but much in summer so I drove the twisties with some circumspection.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 11:05 PM

the critical temperature for summer tyres is 7 degrees centigrade.

That is indeed true. thumbsup

Oddly, Toyo stick that warning on all of their "track" tyres. I don't recall Yokohama bothering on the A048's I had.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 11:41 PM

At least -9°C is better than the original sticker that said -2°C thumbsup & a bit of peace of mind for the majority of time.

Just have to make sure there swapped over if we end up with -20°C temps again next winter.

OR get some of these maybe?

Not sure if you can leave them on overnight though :lol:

Sorry couldn't resist. Thanks for the info though. Sounds like your putting them on at about the right time of year then really. Hope your day at Cadwell Park goes well.

chinky chinky

Edited by iVXT, 02 March 2011 - 11:43 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2011 - 02:23 AM

At least -9°C is better than the original sticker that said -2°C thumbsup & a bit of peace of mind for the majority of time.

Just have to make sure there swapped over if we end up with -20°C temps again next winter.

OR get some of these maybe?

Not sure if you can leave them on overnight though :lol:

Sorry couldn't resist. Thanks for the info though. Sounds like your putting them on at about the right time of year then really. Hope your day at Cadwell Park goes well.

chinky chinky


It was this part that bothered me most:


1.Do not operate the car with these tires, as the tires may suddenly fail.


Apart from the fact that such an event terrifies me, there's also a concern about liability and insurance cover. It's fair enough that they were covering their backs but I wanted to get proper clarification just to make sure there isn't a huge legal minefield.

I got the impression from the guy at Toyo that the tyres ought to be able to tolerate lower temperatures than the latest -9°C advisory but at least if it's officially -9 then it's safe to change over to them now.

I just posted my findings in case someone else buys them and they have the same sticker on theirs.

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 11:18 AM

Isn't this just a legal statement of what would normally be obvious. Bit like the story about Winnebago having to update the user manual to state that the cruise control does not actually drive the vehicle. Just because you bought "sticky" tyres does not mean they will be sticky in all conditions, they are specialist tyres and should be treated as such. Anyway, having explicit instructions is better than none whatsoever thumbsup

Edited by Ouchie, 03 March 2011 - 11:19 AM.





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