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[slindborg]

I can get Gripper plate diffs also.

Steve

Is the gripper diff more track focused?

Don't take this the wrong way, but IMHO with a plate diff (eg gripper) you will put the car into a wall/ditch faster than your bros s2000 can do 60.
If you are insistent on this route, get the Arb pretend diff, it'll be infinitely safer.

[Tail slide]

Don't take this the wrong way, but IMHO with a plate diff (eg gripper) you will put the car into a wall/ditch faster than your bros s2000 can do 60.
If you are insistent on this route, get the Arb pretend diff, it'll be infinitely safer.

Agreed. Good for 'a dab of oppo' even when you didn't ask for it, and spectacular gravel rallying.


Pretend diff? It leaves proper 11's from the start line !


I prefer 'atb, the mild lsd... away from benches & hedges'

[steveboyslim]

I can get Gripper plate diffs also.

Steve

Is the gripper diff more track focused?

Don't take this the wrong way, but IMHO with a plate diff (eg gripper) you will put the car into a wall/ditch faster than your bros s2000 can do 60.
If you are insistent on this route, get the Arb pretend diff, it'll be infinitely safer.

What a load of bollox, if you get a plate diff with the correct ramp angle and pre-load they can be ideal for any car.

Steve

[slindborg]

I can get Gripper plate diffs also.

Steve

Is the gripper diff more track focused?

Don't take this the wrong way, but IMHO with a plate diff (eg gripper) you will put the car into a wall/ditch faster than your bros s2000 can do 60.
If you are insistent on this route, get the Arb pretend diff, it'll be infinitely safer.

What a load of bollox, if you get a plate diff with the correct ramp angle and pre-load they can be ideal for any car.

Steve

I'm Sure it would be......but the person who is keen for this might tell you they want a hardcore track setup thinking it will be the best thing in the world when in reality it's just road use and frankly that would be fcuking scary IMHO...... But hey that bollox too I'm sure

[JohnTurbo]

My buddys rx7 (did last tound of TA) has a plated diff. That car was on the road until a year ago....the diff made that totally hilarious. If you go round a mini roundabout it sounds like someone is has filled a cement mixer with lumps of steel.

[steveboyslim]

I can get Gripper plate diffs also.

Steve

Is the gripper diff more track focused?

Don't take this the wrong way, but IMHO with a plate diff (eg gripper) you will put the car into a wall/ditch faster than your bros s2000 can do 60.
If you are insistent on this route, get the Arb pretend diff, it'll be infinitely safer.

What a load of bollox, if you get a plate diff with the correct ramp angle and pre-load they can be ideal for any car.

Steve

I'm Sure it would be......but the person who is keen for this might tell you they want a hardcore track setup thinking it will be the best thing in the world when in reality it's just road use and frankly that would be fcuking scary IMHO...... But hey that bollox too I'm sure

I do agree people often want 'full race' spec for the road, even when I advise against thay spec, which could make the car worse than not fitting one.

Steve

[Mike (Cliffie)]

I can get Gripper plate diffs also.

Steve

Is the gripper diff more track focused?

Don't take this the wrong way, but IMHO with a plate diff (eg gripper) you will put the car into a wall/ditch faster than your bros s2000 can do 60.
If you are insistent on this route, get the Arb pretend diff, it'll be infinitely safer.

What a load of bollox, if you get a plate diff with the correct ramp angle and pre-load they can be ideal for any car.

Steve

I'm Sure it would be......but the person who is keen for this might tell you they want a hardcore track setup thinking it will be the best thing in the world when in reality it's just road use and frankly that would be fcuking scary IMHO...... But hey that bollox too I'm sure

I do agree people often want 'full race' spec for the road, even when I advise against thay spec, which could make the car worse than not fitting one.

Steve

Agree wholeheartedly.

I know it is slightly off topic but I had a very long conversation yesterday with a suspension guru about ride heights on the VX/Lotus chassis and how he despairs at owners who drop chassis heights too low compromising steering, driveshaft and wishbone angles.

100/110 has its place on a properly sorted race car but has no place on the road at all.

Edited by Cliffie, 24 October 2012 - 08:43 AM.

[SteveA]

I know it is slightly off topic but I had a very long conversation yesterday with a suspension guru about ride heights on the VX/Lotus chassis and how he despairs at owners who drop chassis heights too low compromising steering, driveshaft and wishbone angles.

Post 19 on here.

http://www.vx220.org...on#entry1175967

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Apart from the costs, what are the drawbacks of a Quaife LSD on a road car. I understand that you can do without one on the road. But how does it change the car behaviour on the road . What can you feel when you are not reaching the traction limits ? Does it make the car understeer more ?

[Nev]

But how does it change the car behaviour on the road . What can you feel when you are not reaching the traction limits ? Does it make the car understeer more ?

Having had a Quiafe ATB in my car for 2 years, the best answer to that that I can give is that when going round a large round about for instance (say at 50 MPH), as you start to approach 1g laterally it feels like the car is starting to 4 wheel drifting slightly (the back more than the front, so it oversteers if anything). If you push a bit harder the perceived 'drift' increases nice and progressively giving you good warning and instinct that you are starting to reach the limit of traction. The feeling is very strange, but it does help you get round corners faster and with more knowledge of how close to losing the back end you are.

Edited by Nev, 24 October 2012 - 11:34 AM.

[Thealastair34]

thought i would ad my opinion, i had experiences of afew LSD in both FWD and RWD cars. as i whole i would say an open diff is easier to drive on the limit and fast perfect for a road car IMO push on with it and it lets you know by spinning a wheel very hard to upset the car properly with an open diff the cars with LSD do corner better and have ultimately more traction but are less forgiving so what you hold back when driving as of fear of a sideways moment the open diff car would more than likely be quicker due to confidence that is untill you learn how to drive with the LSD fitted also its another grand your chucking at a car for no real reason

[Bumblebee]

But how does it change the car behaviour on the road . What can you feel when you are not reaching the traction limits ? Does it make the car understeer more ?

Having had a Quiafe ATB in my car for 2 years, the best answer to that that I can give is that when going round a large round about for instance (say at 50 MPH), as you start to approach 1g laterally it feels like the car is starting to 4 wheel drifting slightly (the back more than the front, so it oversteers if anything). If you push a bit harder the perceived 'drift' increases nice and progressively giving you good warning and instinct that you are starting to reach the limit of traction. The feeling is very strange, but it does help you get round corners faster and with more knowledge of how close to losing the back end you are.

I like the sound of that

[Bumblebee]

Thanks for all the comments guys I've got other things planned for next year but it gives me something to think about for the future

[Nev]

What have you got planned Aimy, car mods or something else ?

[Bumblebee]

I'l be concentrating on some new suspention also a few other bits depending as I need to look into what else is worth doing/upgrading while I'm changing the suspention

[JohnTurbo]

Im not an expert, at all, but you need to let me drive your car for my opinion. :-) You too Nev. Its vitally important.

[Bumblebee]

I let Chris of here have a drive of my car

[JohnTurbo]

:-O Favouritism! haha. Ive let a good few drive mine on track, and the only one who didnt spin it was my Dad....though he tried bloody hard to kill himself, me and the car.

Edited by JohnTurbo, 28 October 2012 - 11:22 PM.

[Pipo]

First, my best wishes to you all for this new year I have been searching, but could'nt find an answer to the following. " If I want to renew the diff-bearing when mounting a Quaife LSD in my Speedster Turbo, can I use the standard Opel diff-bearings, or does the Quaife requires different bearings?" Thanks for your help.

[Nev]

The OEM Spherical bearings are fine. However, you might need to fit a 'spacer' in to push them into the sidewalls correctly.