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[TheRealVXed]

Hi all, So the VXR is in the garage having the selectorforks replaced and the rest of the GB reconditioned and while it is off it seems foolish not to replace the clutch. Currently it has a smaller flywheel and the sachs paddle clutch set up. I have been advised by the garage that this is fairly harsh on the old GB compared to other set ups. I have been given some options and just wanted some advice... Helix Clutch, Helix Fly and Centre plate Replace the Sachs clutch (currently half worn) Go standard I quite like the heavyness on the Sachs right now. Car is Stage 2 ta

[turboluca]

Trying getting redline to do it ? If you got warranty

[Bargi]

Personally I'd go beefiest clutch you can without going a padel.
CS Comp Clutch here
CS Uprated Clutch here


Uprated 'Competition' Clutch and Paddle Clutch
For cars with power well beyond 300 bhp and torque well into the mid 300 lbs ft, we can offer a 'competition' clutch which we also recommend for cars running about 270 bhp. Whilst some may offer a paddle clutch for such situations, these are really only suitable for true competition applications, as paddles clutches are often unsuitable when used in fast road applications offering very poor driveability in traffic and often causing damage to flywheels. This clutch features an uprated cover with far greater clamping pressure and an uprated organic disc which will withstand big increases in power and torque, yet will still retain good road manners often not associated with an uprated clutch.

Price £429.95. Clutch Slave Cylinder £119.95 when bought with a clutch. Fitting £505.55 Uprated Cera Metallic Paddle Clutch (4 or 6 Paddle Disc) and Uprated Cover:
4 Paddle £484.95 6 Paddle £494.95
Fast Road Clutch
Originally used in our own car and ideal for any VX220T that has increased power and torque over a standard car. Our uprated clutch will withstand increases in power and torque without the slipping that may occur with a standard unit yet still retain the driveability of a standard clutch. Suitable as a direct replacement for the OE unit and for cars with running up to 270bhp

Priced at £199.95.

Clutch Slave Cylinder £119.95 when bought with a clutch.
Fitting £505.55

[mbes2]

standard wont last Helix 4-paddle wins for me (only because I have one fitted) Sachs should last for a good while normal driving - do you have a date when it was fitted Or just keep it fitted.

[TheRealVXed]

TBH I don't really want to go spending oodles on a clutch that I am happy with. Also, I don't think that the clutch makes much difference to the selector forks anyway, unless it isn't dis-engaging properly, but it is. I guess I'll just change the friction plate. AFAIK clutch has done 20k and is about 1/2 worn.

[Pidgeon]

I had Duncan change my clutch at 80K for reliability peace of mind. The one that came out (factory fit) would have done another 80K. It all depends upon your driving style. It was replaced with a Helix and light fly, neither of which I was particularly happy with. The Helix span (opposite of slips), but is OK now. I've driven a car with a paddle, you could get used to it, but it's heavy compared with OE.

[TheRealVXed]

Agreed, the paddle clutch is very heavy and can be a bitch in traffic. But considering I don't drive it in traffic often I might as well leave it in as no one seems to be screaming praises of the Helix. Has anyone had both? Bear in mind if I want the Helix I have to change the fly as well

Edited by VXRed, 05 March 2013 - 01:39 PM.

[RalphyBMW]

I am sure I read somewhere that the uprated kit supplied by CS is just a standard C20LET clutch and cover, with a Z20LET slave.

[Nev]

BTW, the heavyness of the clutch pedal is commesurate with the stiffness of the clutch cover fingers (not the type of clutch plate). In simple terms, the heavier the pedal feels the more pressure the cover is clamping down onto the plate.

[TheRealVXed]

I know Nev. That Sachs paddle cover plate has different fingers to the Helix which has different fingers to the standard. As you can see from the pictures above from Bargi. I would need to change the fly wheel as well to deviate from the Sachs...

[Bumblebee]

Personally i wouldnt go for a 4 paddle as it will be to on/off,Helix 6 paddle (is a bit more forgiving)

[mbes2]

4 paddle is fine, you get used to what you have. All I know, now with paddle, I would never go back to a normal style clutch

[Gedi]

I've heard good things about the CS comp clutch. It's meant to feel like a heavier version of the standard clutch. I've never heard of anyone running the CS paddle clutch though (not surprising considering they slag it off in their description...)

Edited by Gedi, 06 March 2013 - 12:39 PM.

[Dave E]

I did approx 4K and 6 trackdays on the CS comp clutch and lightened fly before swapping to the M32 box. At the time I was running 280 horses and 305 torques and never had the slightest slip with the setup and they still look new when removed. I don't understand why people would compromise the driving experience with a paddle clutch which is simply not needed when running these figures or lower.

[GeorgeBC]

Think P11COV is happy with his stage 4 vxt on the CMS clutch as well. I run the Helix four paddle and im not overly keen on it.

[TheRealVXed]

Mine is a Sachs 4 paddle (i think) might be 6 though....

[P11 COV]

Think P11COV is happy with his stage 4 vxt on the CMS clutch as well. I run the Helix four paddle and im not overly keen on it.

Sure am...feels like OEM and hasn't ever slipped even with a lot of abuse on track days and nearly 300 bhp/320Ib

You should certainly change the slave cylinder whilst the box is out.

Edited by P11 COV, 06 March 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[WrightStuff]

Don't get whatever George has, its flucking dreadful! With my fleetingly brief drive of the beast from the car park into the workshop at MMG (Liam was making sure the splitter wouldn't scrape), I can honestly say I couldn't live with that! Yes I stalled it too.

[GeorgeBC]

Don't get whatever George has, its flucking dreadful!

With my fleetingly brief drive of the beast from the car park into the workshop at MMG (Liam was making sure the splitter wouldn't scrape), I can honestly say I couldn't live with that! Yes I stalled it too. rallly/>

Its a lot better now the accelerator pedal is better. Got it back today

Edited by GeorgeBC, 06 March 2013 - 06:53 PM.

[Thealastair34]

what power do standard fail at? do helix not do a organic standard one? they take a fair increase in power over stock and maintain the normal driveability and length of service, unlike paddle units