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#1 speedyK

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:32 PM

Sport Auto, the top german petrolhead mag has published its latest Supertest:

Lotus Exige S2 (using the Speedster Turbo (VXT) as a benchmark).

BTW, they do all their measurements with full tank and two-up which of course does light cars no favours!

Nordschleife Nürburgring lap time:

VXT 8min 34secs = 4 points out of 10
Exige S2 8min 32 secs = 4 points out of 10

They say the Exige is an absolute delight on this curvey course and the cornering speeds are, on the whole, higher than the VXT's (which, in contrast, sets the pace on the straights: Döttinger Höhe: VXT 232km/h, Exige 213km/h) example corners:

Pflanzgarten: VXT 169km/h, Exige 174km/h
Bergwerk: VXT 98km/h, Exige 102km/h
Flugplatz: VXT 150km/h, Exige 153km/h
Galgenkopf: VXT 126km/h, Exige 129km/h

Hockenheim , lap time small circuit:

VXT 1min 17.1 secs = 7 out of 10 points
Exige S2 1min.16.5 secs = 6 out of 10 points
(Exige S1 tested in 2000 was 1min.14.8 secs, so they were somewhat disappointed, though concede that the S1 had 796kg and this Exige had 907kg and VXT 931kg). The 111R tested a couple of months back was identical to Exige with 1min 16.5 secs (!!)

They criticise the behaviour of the Exige at the limit, where understeer and oversteer are in constant competition with each other, which doesn't encourage confidence.

Lateral G Both cars (and Exige S1) generated a maximum of 1.2 = 8 out of 10 points

Windcanal aerodynamic balance tests at 200km/h showed:

VXT: front 23kg downforce, rear 19kg lift = 9 out of 10 points
Exige: front 19kg downforce, rear 26 kg downforce = 10 out of 10 points

Frontal area in square m (A) VXT: 1.61, Exige: 1.70
Cw VXT: 0.38, Exige: 0.42
Index (Cw x A) VXT: 0.61, Exige 0.71

0-200-0km/h Test:
Exige 32.0 secs (0-200km/h 27.2 secs, 200-0km/h 4.8 secs) (Weak clutch criticised and they say the Exige is too highly geared to maximise its potential. But, perfect ABS praised ) = 4 points
VXT 28.0 secs (0-200km/h 22.9 secs, 200-0km/h 5.1 secs) = 6 points

Slalom test (cones at 36m intervals) Vmax:
Exige 133km/h = 9 out of 10 points,
VXT 129km/h = 7 out of 10 points

Lane change test (110m) Vmax:
Exige 150km/h = 10 out of 10 points,
VXT 141km/h = 7 out of 10 points

Result (out of maximum 70 points):

Exige 52, VXT 47

Comment: "The Exige leaves the nominally 8bhp more powerful 2 seconds behind it at the 'Ring by virtue of it's cornering ability. On the straights the lower power and significantly poorer aerodynamics means it looses out to the VXT.Particularly on the Döttinger Höhe, the low top speed was apparent. With 213km/h it was almost 20km/h slower than the VXT (232km/H).

The the incredible pleasure from the superb agility, the joy of millimetre precise corner-devouring and the excitement from outbraking manouvers that are so easy with this car on a track, always turns to frustration when the opponents leave you behind on the straights.

Because the engine cover blocks your rear view, you only have a moment to believe that you have achieved enough distance out of the corners to hold off your opponents." – As an N/A owner, I can only say, "Tell me about it!" :P

Sport Auto Summary:

"The expectations, which on the basis of the brilliant driving dynamics of the previous Exige model were very high, have unfortunately not been fulfilled. The new Lotus, which in the coming season will have its own race series, cannot – despite its impressive appearance as a top athlete – distance itself from its sister model the 111R. Not really surprising, as they share 100% the same basis. The advantages of the Exiges's aerodynamic kit and the Yokohama A048s make no noticable difference. The closed Exige is simply no quicker than the open Elise "

Must admit I'm a bit surprised that the Yokos didn't help them do better than the 111R times on standard rubber :( :unsure:

As getting any mods approved here in Switz. is such hassle and I simply can't see them ever OK-ing the ABS and 16" wheels packet for my Speedster, I've seriously considered going for the 111R or Exige. As my Speedster's market value with about 7,500 miles on the clock is only worth about £10,000 now :o and an 111R/Exige would be £30,000, I'm not so convinced that it is worth doing anything yet. But a 111R with factory 250 bhp would probably sway me though B) Surely Lotus must trump the VXT as soon as VXT production ends at the end of 2005? Hopefully with an Elise/Exige S3 with airbag :) Think I'll wait this one out and enjoy my N/A as it is in the meantime.

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:30 PM

Blimey not very impressive lap times. I agree with you about the tyres I am sure I will go much quicker round the Ring in my standard VXR than I did in my 240bhp VXT. Only a week till I know for sure. I reckon you are doing the ight thing waiting a few more months before replacing your car.

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 09:00 PM

would it not be fairer to go against a vxr :poke: both cost £30000

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 09:37 PM

The closed Exige is simply no quicker than the open Elise "


Utter tosh. just ask WoodenDummy about the difference AO48's make to an elise with 135BHP :P

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 06:19 AM

"The expectations, which on the basis of the brilliant driving dynamics of the previous Exige model were very high, have unfortunately not been fulfilled. The new Lotus, which in the coming season will have its own race series, cannot – despite its impressive appearance as a top athlete – distance itself from its sister model the 111R. Not really surprising, as they share 100% the same basis. The advantages of the Exiges's aerodynamic kit and the Yokohama A048s make no noticable difference. The closed Exige is simply no quicker than the open Elise "

Weather conditions have the biggest factor on both tyre temperature, and engine performance.

you cannot compare the 111R with the exige, when both were tested on completely different days.

compare both on the same day, and the exige will win every time.


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Posted 05 August 2004 - 07:02 AM

would it not be fairer to go against
a vxr :poke: both cost £30000



..was my first idea too when I read the test, but VXR (or similar Opel ) is not available or announced in Germany until today.

@ SpeedyK, fantastic summary of the report ! :)

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 08:17 AM

@ SpeedyK, fantastic summary of the report ! :)

Seconded thumbsup Imnotworthy

Why can't british mags write reports like that :unsure: :( :rolleyes:

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 08:26 AM

but VXR (or similar Opel ) is  not available or announced in Germany until today.

have you anymore info on this?? I didnt think there were going to be any VXR speedsters?? When i saw Stu he did say that some DE big cheeses were coming over to drive it....

Edited by cheeky_chops, 05 August 2004 - 08:26 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2004 - 08:42 AM

[quote name='cheeky_chops' date='Aug 5 2004, 08:26 '] [/QUOTE]
have you anymore info on this?? I didnt think there were going to be any VXR speedsters?? When i saw Stu he did say that some DE big cheeses were coming over to drive it.... [/quote]

no, sorry, there's nothing. Even the info that the VXR exists I read here in forum first, than saw Vauxhall's VXR site and first (and only) VXR I've seen until now was Mani's two weeks ago in Luxemburg.

A month ago there was a short story about a V6-Biturbo Speedster in the german CAR mag, but nothing more heard about it.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 08:45 AM

Did they by any chance mention what the track conditions were like? If it was a bit greasy at the ring then maybe that would explain both the lap times and why the Yokos didn't pull out much advantage.... Editted to add: 20kg of lift at the rear doesn't seem terribly great. Perhaps it time to have a look at rear diffusers again...

Edited by nefarious, 05 August 2004 - 08:48 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2004 - 09:04 AM

Did they by any chance mention what the track conditions were like? If it was a bit greasy at the ring then maybe that would explain both the lap times and why the Yokos didn't pull out much advantage....


..i must look again at home, but they didn't mention anything about bad testing conditions. The point of critism about the Exige in the test was, that engine lacks power in comparison to the VXT, and on N-Ring you need it because of the many hills the car has to climb. The cd of the 111R is better, so downforce costs more power than A048 tyres better grip wins.

But I think they were most disappointed that they can't find a progress between the Exige 1 and the new one. And weight has increased massivle from 780 kg to 900 kg.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 09:38 AM

I have always found a even standard N/A or VXT has left Elises for dead at the Ring. Check out some of the vids - link in my signature.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 10:18 AM

Did they by any chance mention what the track conditions were like? If it was a bit greasy at the ring then maybe that would explain both the lap times and why the Yokos didn't pull out much advantage....

Editted to add: 20kg of lift at the rear doesn't seem terribly great. Perhaps it time to have a look at rear diffusers again...

Test conditions (Hockenheim):

Air temperature 21°C
Asphalt temperature 24°C
Air pressure 1021mbar

(Measured with 2D-Datarecording).

Sounds fairly ideal to me...

As far as Nürburgring is concerned, the pics of the car there show dry track with blue skies (with wisps of cloud) and sun with clearly defined shadows – so not bad either.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 12:52 PM

After having seen the performance of the Exige S2 in the hands of Hyla Breeze last weekend, I can only conclude my driving skills have along way to go!

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 06:13 PM

Blimey not very impressive lap times.

VXT 8min 34secs = 4 points out of 10
Exige S2 8min 32 secs = 4 points out of 10


I assume these are full laptimes on a closed track.

Estimated BTG times are:

VXT 8.08
Exige 8.06

For comparison a friend of mine who also drives the 24hrs there, did a BTG of 7.45 in his Porsche GT3, specifically set up for the Ring.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 06:57 PM

sport auto usually don't include the time for the straight at T13. That's about 200m of track. I happened to be there when von Saurma tested the F575 (the first time, without Fiorano pack) and that time they did the test when they just had closed the circuit for us others. I've never done better than 9.17 BTG (Civic). :(

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 09:33 PM

Here's the 'Ring lap times

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 01:02 PM

That map shows clearly :rolleyes: that they don't measure the whole lap.

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 01:23 PM

Blimey not very impressive lap times.

VXT 8min 34secs = 4 points out of 10
Exige S2 8min 32 secs = 4 points out of 10


I assume these are full laptimes on a closed track.

Estimated BTG times are:

VXT 8.08
Exige 8.06

they better be full-track times , or my 8,17 with 160-ish hp's would be too good to believe!! :o (....and my ego would boost exponentially... :lol: :lol: :lol: )

ben, planning to be there for the 15-16 weekend?!?
I'm getting an itch for it, expecially since I am spending the full day fine-tuning my toy...(in the process of re-installing the kat....suspecting its absence is faulting the ignition... :unsure: )

anyway, thse numbers give the real deal on how good is the VX-package....spending 45K for something fractionally faster is insane IMHO.... B)

Edited by Ricky2772, 07 August 2004 - 01:25 PM.


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Posted 07 August 2004 - 01:27 PM

That map shows clearly :rolleyes: that they don't measure the whole lap.

mmmm...the spot they indicate as top speed is past the exit gate......do you think they fly all the way to the exit and then stomp on the brakes?!? :blink: :unsure:
plus, there is a "start-ziel" at the end of the straight....
dunno, rally... :unsure:

Edited by Ricky2772, 07 August 2004 - 01:33 PM.





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