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#1 Johnboyhgt

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:34 AM

Hi all 

 

About time I gave something back to this forum so here goes.

 

Just finished an SC stage 2 build - all been done before so I didnt start a project thread.

 

However I did find a nice OEM air box that nicely does the job, lifted from a SAAB 2.3 9-5 and with a bit of bracket work and a 110mm straight joiner it fits a treat.

 

Filter can be changed through the wheel arch and its OEM filtration so the engine will be happy long term.

 

Happy to answer any questions.

 

John

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:39 AM

Another with clam on there's around 30mm space at the top with clam on.

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 10:42 AM

Does it flow enough? Given it's designed for a 2.3 NA, you're asking it to filter twice as much air than it was designed?

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

Does it flow enough? Given it's designed for a 2.3 NA, you're asking it to filter twice as much air than it was designed?

 

Should do the surface area is equal if not larger to a cone type filter, and the same air filter box is used on the 2.0 turbo saab

 

http://www.neobrothe...trol-2773-p.asp



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 10:56 AM

and also given that the standard air filter box has been proven to stage 2 .....



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 11:24 AM

Is there a part number stamped in the unit somewhere?

 

Is it the SAAB 4572509?

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 11:43 AM

4572483 and 4614685900 stamped on.

 

Any thoughts on flow rate Arno ?

 



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 01:24 PM

Does it flow enough? Given it's designed for a 2.3 NA, you're asking it to filter twice as much air than it was designed?

 

The 9-5's are all turbocharged!

 

The 2.3 ranges from 170 in the first years up to 260 for the latest Aero's. I naturally don't know which one OP is using nor if there are any differences between years and outputs. I guess that the filter from a 2.0 is also the same.

 

 

 

EDIT: Made a quick search and it seem to be the same for all petrol 4cyl 9-5 which would make it good for 260 OEM hp. That would, in my mind, make it good for well over 300 in the VX  :)


Edited by Jocke_D, 27 June 2017 - 01:29 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 01:49 PM

 

Does it flow enough? Given it's designed for a 2.3 NA, you're asking it to filter twice as much air than it was designed?

 

The 9-5's are all turbocharged!

 

The 2.3 ranges from 170 in the first years up to 260 for the latest Aero's. I naturally don't know which one OP is using nor if there are any differences between years and outputs. I guess that the filter from a 2.0 is also the same.

 

 

 

EDIT: Made a quick search and it seem to be the same for all petrol 4cyl 9-5 which would make it good for 260 OEM hp. That would, in my mind, make it good for well over 300 in the VX   :)

 

 

Good research - I'm speaking with Mann filters to see what the filter air flow is rated up to.



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 04:50 PM

Looks great! I'm using the OEM Air Box in my SC which appears to be working well. Although the cars not mapped yet.

 

Any reason why you didn't use the standard airbox, do you think this offers some advantages?

 

For me the main advantage appears to be its easier to connect to the TB

 

 


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:19 PM

Main reason was I prefer OEM filtration and the relative ease of getting this fitting nice vs the original box. Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:19 AM

4572483 and 4614685900 stamped on.

 

Any thoughts on flow rate Arno ?

 

 

Looks like it's all basically the same airbox model. Probably small production variations over the years giving slightly different (updated) part numbers. The housing looks like it has a resonance chamber on it as well to cut more intake frequencies/noise, so the different models likely had some 'tweaks' over time in areas like this. All seem to use the same filter element.

 

Plenty available across the EU ;)

 

http://www.autoparts...9/air-filter/1/

 

Looks like a very nice option for these cars. Much nicer access to change the filter element, even compared to the OEM box.

 

The 'cyclone' style side air inlet setup does mean it may at peak flow a little less than a plain filter box, but the advantage is that the filter element loads up with dirt a lot less quickly as it gets flung to the outside of the box more and will drop down/out when the engine is at low rpm. Quite common feature on truck and agricultural machines. (some even have active suction to remove larger sand/dirt from the housing)

 

Max/ultimate flow rate in m3/minute (usually at max 10mbar pressure drop or so..) will depend a lot on the airbox design and often less on the actual filter element. If this filter element were to be fitted to an un-enclosed mount it would probably flow quite an ridiculous amount of air. The peak flow usually gets restricted/slowed by the twists and turns the air has to take in the housing and only after the filter loads up with dirt can/will it become the bottleneck.

 

An 'open' paper air filter is not so useful outside stationary/enclosed  applications like generators and such though ;)

 

Bye, Arno.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:04 AM

So all in all a good upgrade, and should do the job nicely for SC owners requiring less noise.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:05 AM

Good find, useful post.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:15 AM

apparently the filter can cope with:

 

nominal 6.3 m3/min 

 

Could someone wiser than I decipher this ? 



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:36 AM

apparently the filter can cope with:

 

nominal 6.3 m3/min 

 

Could someone wiser than I decipher this ? 

 

Did they specify at which pressure drop? 10mbar? 100mbar?

 

The figure seems quite low for the OEM applications it's used in, especially the bigger engined SAAB 9-5 Aero's with 260bhp standard (probably conservative.. SAAB tended to understate power levels). I'd expect it to flow more in the region of 10-12 m3/min for that sort of power.

 

6.3 m3/min would translate more or less to the air requirement at WOT for an n/a 1800cc engine around 6500rpm. Unless this would be more like a worst case with a dirty filter.

 

An SC 2.2 with 9 psi boost at about 260 usable crank Hp would probably be outputting around 290hp before the SC parasitic losses. That needs around 12 m3/min at full throttle.

 

I suspect they either quoted the wrong number or looked up the wrong filter element... :lol:

 

16.3 would be very much in the right ballpark though... :unsure:

 

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:05 AM

See attached Arno.

 

Specification sheets.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:44 AM

must be a misprint as you say that filter is specified for the 260bhp turbo model.



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 07:23 AM

Can also reveal that I have no sc noise at all under any circumstances. Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 10:28 AM

Can also reveal that I have no sc noise at all under any circumstances.  

 

That sounds like the main benefit to me!  






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