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[P11 COV]

The council want to decrease the speed of the grid roads round MK from 70 to 50 and 60 to 40. Supposidly for safety reasons. This is partly due to the fact that there have been a couple of deaths and other injuries to pedestrians crossing the roads. With the amount of redways, bridges and subways there is no need for pedestrians to go near the roads and anyway and the accidents have involved cars travelling at less than 40 anyway. Why pick on the motorist and not educate (outlaw) the pedestrian instead.

[cheeky_chops]

argh, BASTARDS! Can see the point on SOME of the 60 roads, but the dual carrigeways are all well away from homes and shopping areas

[SPLAM]

Why pick on the motorist and not educate (outlaw) the pedestrian instead.

Agreed, there are far to many anti car/speed ads.


What happened to these.

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[Jase_MK]

ARGH! FOR F*CKS SAKE!!!!!! I've just seen this myself. OK, a bit of background on this. There were a couple of pedestrian deaths on dual carriageways this year. In one particular case, the coroner advised the MK council that the death was caused by excessive speed. In this particular accident, the car was doing around 40mph (in either a 60 or 70 zone, I can't remember) and a child I believe was walking/running down a grassy bank and fell into the road. Now, MK has one of the best pedestrina systems going. There are excellent footpaths everywhere that will take you anywhere you want to go by foot or by bike without having to cross any fast roads. There are bridges and underpasses everywhere, so the only roads you have to cross are small housing estate roads. It's a tragedy that someone died, but why was someone attempting to cross a 60/70 road! If someone got knocked down on the M1, we wouldn't drop the limit on there to 40!!! Argh, I'm so mad!

[Jase_MK]

Why pick on the motorist and not educate (outlaw) the pedestrian instead.

Agreed, there are far to many anti car/speed ads.


What happened to these.

...and what happened to the green cross code and all that!

I want to break something!

[Whiteboy]

What about teaching people the green cross code

[speedyK]

I'm sure there must be some misguided ignoramuses in places of power who really believe that lowering the limits is a reasonable solution.

However, the older I get, the more I feel that measures like this are mostly introduced as an excuse to levy more "roadside taxes". (And if you argue against it, you are, of course, a despicable, callous, politically incorrect, incorrigible and anti-social speed freak who must be dealt with in the harshest permissible way.)

If they really feel pedestrian safety is an issue, then how about targetting the fcuking pedestrians instead?

Sadly, the vast majority will never understand that the words "safety" and "fast" do not have to be mutually exclusive.

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[earlystock]

Saw a a nasty accident in South London 2 weeks ago. Dozey peddestrian steps onto crossing (red man was showing), and pushes a bike onto the other carriageway, bike hits car, rider dead. Police are comforting the "poor pedestrian" as I pass. If the biker had jumped the light and knocked the pedestrian down he would have been facing jail time (rightly), but the "poor pedestrian" just gets consoled, and you KNOW that the conseqences for the pedestrian will not be big. Makes me mad....no balance in the enforcement of the rules of the road, just stupid politicians who seem to have no idea of the real world...

[Thorney]

The pedestrian/bike thing is sooooo coomon in London. When I was a courier the general rule followed was that if someone stepped out in front of you you simply didn't swerve . Hitting a soft pedestrian was a lot less dangerouns than swerving into the path of a bus/taxi etc. Thats a travesty on the MK thing, but its the simplistic thinking of councils. Coroner says speed, that means their simply little brains must say drop the speed limit then. Local Govt is just devoid of any sense anywhere.

[JimH]

If some sheep of a pedestrian wanders into the road and you hit them they will cause a fair amount of damage to your car. You'd better hope you have fully comp insurance because otherwise the money is coming out of your pocket. I've never quite understood why the duty to use the roads safely doesn't include pedestrians.

[Jase_MK]

Thats a travesty on the MK thing, but its the simplistic thinking of councils. Coroner says speed, that means their simply little brains must say drop the speed limit then. Local Govt is just devoid of any sense anywhere.

Agreed. But what I'm battling with in my head is... Are there really no intelligent people involved in this process that can realise the obvious. Yeah, yeah, I know, They're all stupid - but I'm being serious for a second, is every single person involved in this really so dumb as to not think about the situation sensibly. I find it hard to believe that we're all a step above everyone else in terms of intelligence.

The facts are pretty clear:
-Pedestrian unneccesarily trying to cross a NSL road.
-Hit by car doing 40mph.
-Coroner advises to drop the speed limit
-Speed limit dropped to 40 (?!?)

I must be missing something...

[ShinyAndy]

the general rule followed was that if someone stepped out in front of you you simply didn't swerve . Hitting a soft pedestrian was a lot less dangerouns than swerving into the path of a bus/taxi etc..

Maybe you ought to of stopped at redlights & pedestrian crossings etc ?




Was my personal pet hate of working in London

Oh the joy when someone at work got piled into by a cyclist who just went flying across the zebra crossing outside work straight into him. He picked himself up, picked up the cyclists bike and threw it across the road, picked up cyclist and punched him right in the face.. to the applause of all around

W*nkers

[Thorney]

Did I say it was at a red light or a pedstrian crossing? Read the fcuking post before you you twat

[WoodenDummy]

Maybe but for every cyclist I've seen skip a light in London I've seen 10 times more pedestrians just wander into the road talking to there mates, looking at phones, talking on phones, texting on phones, reading the paper (YES really). The one I saw the other day left me speechless 2 Asian kids walking across the road in busy traffic looking at each others new gold necklaces. I mean COME ON! WTF is that all about!? ALL of this boils down to one thing, Darwin's law means fcuk all anymore, society protects the stupid and consoles the idiots when idiots do stupid things. I've been trying all week NOT to post something about 14 year old kids walking around the street at 12am in a area I wouldn't walk around armed with a gun. Off topic I know, but it all comes down to the same thing. No one seems to THINK anymore. We all do stupid things, I managed to get thrown 3 meters back into a wall the other day when I gave myself a electric shock after moving into my new place but other people seem to COUNT on me being 150% when I'm driving, looking out for my mistakes AND theirs.

[ShinyAndy]

Did I say it was at a red light or a pedstrian crossing?

Nope.. but they all friggin' do

[NOEXCESSBAGGAGE]

I'm sure there must be some misguided ignoramuses in places of power who really believe that lowering the limits is a reasonable solution.

Just been polled by our Parish Council on road "improvements" in the area.

Part of the "big plan" is to reduce sections of road to 20 mph, dozens of raised humps at junctions, and - get this one - designated cycleways along the roadedge.

I further looked at the Council's leaflet crap, and noticed this was being promoted through the Parish Council by SUSTRANS.
SUSTRANS iirc, is a charitable organisation (for SUStainable TRANSportation) for improving cycleways and by-ways and turning derelict railway tracks into leisure paths.
Now it seems this cosy charity (and there are usually more brains working for charity than for our local councils) are encroaching upon the humble motorists road - road that he is taxed dearly indeed for.

And the end result - in a semi-rural area, there'll be seven thousand six hundred and fifty two unsightly warning road signs erected, just to warn Joe Motorist he's going to bash his sump/become airborne at the next speed hump.

It was only a few weeks ago, the Council for the Protection of Rural England conceded there were far too many bl**dy road signs being stuck up spoiling our countryside.

Don't these crackers ever learn

[oblomov]

Supposidly for safety reasons. This is partly due to the fact that there have been a couple of deaths and other injuries to pedestrians crossing the roads.

The Transprt Reasearch Laboratory at Crawthorne has some interesting figures on pedestrian casualties.

84% of pedestrians seriously injured or killed due to their own incompetence and not that of the driver of the vehicle that hit them i.e. the pedestrian entered the carriageway without due care.
12% involved vehicles unable to avoid a pedestrian in the carriageway.
4% 'other'

77% of adult pedestrian fatalities after dark caused by pedestrians above the legal drink drive limit, ie. staggering about in the road p!$$ed

This is why this speed limit thing is such B@££@cks, not only do the figures speak for themselves, but basic common sense applies also.

Keep the fkcuing pedestrians off the fkcuing road and they wont get fkcuing killed? You don't have to be Einstein to figure that one out.

How about some jaywalking laws. Why not fixed penalty fines of £60 for not crossing in the correct place?

Excuse me, I've got to go an lie down in a darkened room for a while.

[oblomov]

I gave myself a electric shock after moving into my new place

Wot, someone bought you a chair as a pressie and you were silly enough to switch it on?

[WoodenDummy]

hahhahha, it probably would have hurt less! My heating uses a wireless network to govern when it comes on/off and in which rooms etc... When we moved in it wasn't working and I was so pissed off that we didn't have heat I decided to fix it myself, I turned off all the power while Marie sat in the living room reading. I took the control box apart and being a techie could see right away where the problem was and re-attached the bits that needed attaching and slid the face back on, I dunno how but I caught my hand on something and flew back about 3 meters. Marie said she looked up and saw a quick view of me flying back past the door with my legs off the floor. There MUST be some other power supply that goes to it in case of power cut but it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the tech manual! It can't have been the mains, 'cus I switched it off AND it would have killed me. I have this little burn on my finger but my armed hurt for days!

[Whiteboy]

And people wonder why I hate diy, I think wd you were very lucky to get away with a finger injury.