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[colgy]

I've been spamming up on airboxes and came across this:

http://www.vx220.org.....tg turbo&st=0

After emailing ITG, they replied to me;

Hi Craig,
Well we have heard this a few times from various different sources and
over the last 20 years of manufacturing and supplying air filters we have
not had a single case of proven damge to an AFM, it is strictly scare mongering
by people who spend a lot of time on forums and not driving cars!!! The
maxogen kit is the best on the market, it would be best to speak to those
people who actually use our kits on their cars. We supply around 30-40 lotus kits
per month and have not had a single complaint about the system.

Regards
Tony Craven

Parts Manager

Induction Technology Group Ltd

Tel:02476 305386

So my quetsion is, whats the latest ? Does anybody have experience with this on their turbo?

[ShinyAndy]

So they work ok on the Lotus then, I mean what with our cars having the same engine and everything Even the dodgy replacement panel filter supplied by Vauxhall for the VXR caused the AMM to fail, but hey what do we know. We just buy the cars and sit looking at them in the garage

[colgy]

Yeah thats what i was thinking ! Still I can but dream....

[jules_s]

What a joke. And a condescending one at that.

[cheeky_chops]

P11COV had a BMC CDA carbon box on for ages with no problem - only took it off for warrenty work iirc

[Smiler]

..but it's the AMM thats a piece of poo innit?

[jules_s]

P11COV had a BMC CDA carbon box on for ages with no problem - only took it off for warrenty work iirc

But isn't there something fundemantaly wrong in that?

People fitted vipers and the AMM's went

The foam filtered VXRs had AMM's go.

My understanding was that any sort of venturi effect induction kit would lead to AMM failure on the VXT's?

So if it doesn't give a better induction what is the point?

Certainly the ITG was sold as more induction/bhp by Blanchie was it?

/shrugs shoulders

[Joe-Turbo]

would be interesting what his views are on that thread you have linked to. Looks like they where looking into it then put it on the shelf and forgot about it.

[oblomov]

Ah yes that famous get out clause of politicians scientists and anyone who wants to squirm out of accepting responsibility

not had a single case of proven

[Joe-Turbo]

if you do a search for davehutchingson and itg you will find lots of posts. it seems like ITG where looking for a solution, where attending rolling roads, and where meeting with the amm manufacturer but then after that nothing else was said??????????? what happened?

[davehutchinson]

if you do a search for davehutchingson and itg you will find lots of posts.

it seems like ITG where looking for a solution, where attending rolling roads, and where meeting with the amm manufacturer but then after that nothing else was said???????????

what happened?

Not been around for a long time since I sold my VXT. After losing 4 AMM's with the ITG kit, ITG replaced the AMM for me and took the box away, nothing was ever said about it again, I heard nothing from them at all and I'd pretty much guarantee the issue still exists, they had no answers for me at all, despite the length of time we spent researching it.

ITG brought a couple of panel filters with them to AMD when we did the RR tests on my car, fitted one to R1 NUR's and Mahony's VXT, if I remember rightly their AMM's went too, just not multiple times like mine did.

Edited by davehutchinson, 03 June 2006 - 07:04 PM.

[Thorney]

Tony is new there (last couple of months) and frankly that email is laughable. Speak with Stuart (boss) he's the guy we dealt with when we tried to fix this issue (as we also tried with Viper as well) and he will happily confirm that EVERY single car (VXT) fitted with either an ITG, Viper or BMC has failed an AMM or in most cases multiple failures. I think Paul has a BMC without any issues but Gavin and Neil both ran them and both had multiple failures, I know this as we've replaced about 4 on these cars alone! The curious thing about it is that no-one actually knows what goes wrong, the manufacturer (Bosche) say its dirt and the supplier (ITG) says the airflow is too high. Either way they don't work, dont hadd power and are not worth buying for a VXT unless you like spunking out £120 a pop for AMM's (which wont be covered under warranty). It beats me why some poeple (ie the ignorant tossers) in the industry slag off forums so much.....maybe if they read a couple they might learn something. We supply and fit the itg stuff for the NA without issue so no problems with the product per se as long its the right application.

[christurbo]

Ive read so many threads on this issue on the VXT. But.... why does this happen???? The VXT and the NA has na AAM [so ive read on here] so what the problem,?????

[Joe-Turbo]

sorry didnt quite understand that last bit. The VXT has a rubbish AMM that blows when air flow is increased/ damaged by water etc The VX N/A has no AMM so has no problems with air filters etc. there was also talk of a new and improved AMM ? any ideas if they will ever apear?

Edited by Joe-Turbo, 03 June 2006 - 11:43 PM.

[colgy]

Well after hearing from ITG, Thorney and Dave, I know who i'll be listening too! Case closed as far as i'm concerned, paper filter.

[P11 COV]

I think Paul has a BMC without any issues but Gavin and Neil both ran them and both had multiple failures, I know this as we've replaced about 4 on these cars alone!

Failures on the BMC or the ITG?

As has been said mine has run the BMC for a long time with no probs and I was led to believe the previous owner had no problems with it either...is that Gavin?

I took it off when I thought I had a problem but it turned out to be water ingress. I then took it off again when it was serviced as Crownhill will use any excuse to say your car has invalidated the warranty

I will probably put it back once it is out of warranty in a months time.

[Joe-Turbo]

do you use your can in the wet? heavy rain etc

[Thorney]

I think Paul has a BMC without any issues but Gavin and Neil both ran them and both had multiple failures, I know this as we've replaced about 4 on these cars alone!

Failures on the BMC or the ITG?

As has been said mine has run the BMC for a long time with no probs and I was led to believe the previous owner had no problems with it either...is that Gavin?

I took it off when I thought I had a problem but it turned out to be water ingress. I then took it off again when it was serviced as Crownhill will use any excuse to say your car has invalidated the warranty

I will probably put it back once it is out of warranty in a months time.

I actually refer people to your car when I talk the only person to have one and not cause failures. Both Gavin and Neil both have BMC's on their VXR's and both have failed AMM's. We've replaced 3 on on e car and 2 on the other thus far. Sounds like you've got lucky which is great, but not enough evidence for me to sell something only to be responsible for the warranty replacement if it goes wrong.

[garyk220]

Paul, how have you fitted the inlet pipe with your BMC. Is it pointing downwards and away from the intake grille? I've got a BMC airbox to fit in mine (I've relocated the ECUs onto the bulkhead behind the passenger seat and the standard airbox won't fit in place now). I planned to minimise the effect of water getting in by placing the pipe vertically downwards, and possibly blocking off the lower sections of the intake grille. I had a BMC on my turbo for a few months when I forst got it, without any problems, but it was dry for the whole time. I'm on my fourth AMM anyway, so if I can get away with only 1 failure per year I'd be reasonably happy.

[P11 COV]

I think Paul has a BMC without any issues but Gavin and Neil both ran them and both had multiple failures, I know this as we've replaced about 4 on these cars alone!

Failures on the BMC or the ITG?

As has been said mine has run the BMC for a long time with no probs and I was led to believe the previous owner had no problems with it either...is that Gavin?

I took it off when I thought I had a problem but it turned out to be water ingress. I then took it off again when it was serviced as Crownhill will use any excuse to say your car has invalidated the warranty

I will probably put it back once it is out of warranty in a months time.

I actually refer people to your car when I talk the only person to have one and not cause failures. Both Gavin and Neil both have BMC's on their VXR's and both have failed AMM's. We've replaced 3 on on e car and 2 on the other thus far. Sounds like you've got lucky which is great, but not enough evidence for me to sell something only to be responsible for the warranty replacement if it goes wrong.

Thats interesting beacause, correct me if i'm wrong, but Gavin bought the BMC for him and Neil when they had moonland VXT's and had no probs but now they have them on thier VXR's they are having difficulties. Is it to do with the colour of the car?