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#1 Thorney

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 06:55 AM

Right, our fault, we've been so busy here that the TB kit took a back seat to try and clear some of our backlog (which failed, we still have 21 cars here :beat: ) but we've managed to finish Rubbers cars. The problem was that we used this car as the first for the TB kits without knowing that the engine had sustained fairly serious damage due to its previous level of tune. Rubbers was the first NA I did whilst at AmD and we used Piper cams. It performed pretty well initially and had about 10k on it in (that version) stage 3 form so we thought it would be a good base to use. Well we were wrong. When the first TB kit was fitted we were over the moon but also disappointed - the kit generated 161bhp at 4100rpm (considering the stock VX220 only generates 100bhp at 4100rpm) we were over the moon - 60bhp gain from TB's is great :D but then the power dropped off and we surmised the exhaust manifold clogged up the power. No problem we thought, lets develop a new exhaust mani (car needs this anyway really) so off we went (causing delays of course) and rebuilt it all back up. Well we fired it up and same happened. Proper work required now and it turns out (after stripping the whole top end down) that that the rockers were breaking (we though this was down to the fact that Ian buzzed the engine :beat: ) was actually due to the cams having a 2mm gap :blink: so at high revs they were simply flapping about and wrecking the top end :beat: So, the whole engine has been re-built with Schrick racing cams with double valve springs and all the toys and we fired it up again at the week end. Now we'd never actually heard it before (all the previous testing has been undertaken by Weber on their development dyno) so we had a sound file but not actually heard it. Well it SOUNDS OUT OF THIS WORLD, its not often you fire a car up and see 5 (fairly jaded) techs/staff and 10 or so M3 owners (we had an open day at the time) all smile like idiots - it really does sound that good. :groupjump: We couldn't resist driving it out the workshop to hear it outside (which considering its doesn't have any seats and was dragging a development exhaust on the floor behind it was a mean feat) and it really is a show stopper. Car is now back at Webber, they are taking it through final testing and mapping and then we get it back for road, track and dyno testing, I hope next week. The project has been a bit of a trial to be honest, its only the complete 100% comitment from us and Richard (MD or Weber) that has got us through it along with the complete belief that this IS the only way forward to get maximum power out of the 2.2 Eco engine. I dread to think what it has cost us in terms of time. As I know more I'll post it up. :)

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 07:31 AM

at least post the sound file ;)

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 07:51 AM

and the price :lol: diy and fitted thumbsup

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 08:09 AM

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 08:57 AM

BHP

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 09:29 AM

patience......all good things come to those who wait :D

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 09:53 AM

Great to hear those Powerless NA boys don't have to wait too much longer That quote just remind me of the day Daisy was born... :sick: Never been able to eat tomato sauce since...

Edited by walkes, 18 July 2006 - 09:53 AM.


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Posted 18 July 2006 - 10:08 AM

Great to hear those Powerless NA boys don't have to wait too much longer

That quote just remind me of the day Daisy was born... :sick: Never been able to eat tomato sauce since...


...and a quote for all the Tubby boy's

"Does my Bum look big in this"

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 11:36 AM


Great to hear those Powerless NA boys don't have to wait too much longer

That quote just remind me of the day Daisy was born... :sick: Never been able to eat tomato sauce since...


...and a quote for all the Tubby boy's

"Does my Bum look big in this"


judge for yourself as you will be behind! :P :lol:

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 01:09 PM

patience......all good things come to those who wait :D



Oohhh Good, that means Im going to get looots of good things then :P

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 01:41 PM

judge for yourself as you will be behind! :P :lol:


Not if I spend the same amount as these TB are going to cost :P

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 01:54 PM


judge for yourself as you will be behind! :P :lol:


Not if I spend the same amount as these TB are going to cost :P


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Posted 18 July 2006 - 01:56 PM

So what DOES a TB'd car sound like then? I've never knowingly heard one.... Are we talking something like the sound of an ITG but more louder/intense? Or more like a VSE? Or what??

Edited by Tolksee, 18 July 2006 - 02:18 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:00 PM

like it's gargling..... oh the noise..... :D Last set of TBs I heard were on my westy.... 2.0XE engine with Jenvey TBs.

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:06 PM

Ever heard a Super Touring Car?

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:08 PM

Whole different car but what a sound with TB's
http://videos.street...B3-88AD7020C61A

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:11 PM

http://video.google....throttle bodies

A quick video I found of a lupo gti with TBs... (you'll get the idea, but I imagine the VX to sound AWESOME).
The induction noise is often as loud or louder than the exhaust! :D

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:36 PM

Over 250 views :blink: I think there might be one or two interested people out there...

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:57 PM

throttle boddies on the 2000 sound sick, i bet theres loads of people interested in them but i doubt many will buy them as there probably going to cost more than 50% of most n/a s out there..

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 03:00 PM

Heres a short clip of my 2.0 C20XE on SBD / Jenvey set up..

>TB's Video<

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