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[MAXR]

After a great Bell & Colvill track day at Snetterton yesterday, I've come to the conclusion that a 2-Eleven is a better track day car than a fettled VX, Exige or Elise. But, only in the hands of a good driver. I was underwhelmed by several Pax rides in the 6 or so 2-Eleven there that day and wasn't able to try out the Bell & Colvill 2-Eleven for myself as he had sold it the day before! The only car I couldn't overtake was one 2-Eleven driven by a Mr Gavin Kershaw, who was just astonishing! My best lap was a 1:20.1, I think he was lapping around 1:15's on the day. Oddly, I was keeping up with him from the pit start to the Esses corner after the bridge, after which he screamed away around Bomb, especially Coram & through Russell. Down the straights I was slightly quicker, through the corners he was streets ahead. I'd like to blame it on my tyres as my fronts have seen over 14 track days & my rears were virtually slicks, but in reality the 2-Eleven is better balanced through the corners & he is a much better driver. I did however manage to pass the other Lotus test engineer in a white Exige S on more than one occasion and a motorsport driving instructor in a VX turbo. It was great to Alex from Pro Alloy in his super clean Black VX Turbo, I've not seen a better looking pristine VX to date & that includes yours Guy! and it's for sale! It was also nice to meet Sutol there with his Elan. One final word, if you are considering buying a Spitfire Brace-bar especially If you track your car, get one, It's the best money I've spent on my car! And, I've decided to keep my car and fettle it some more! I will try & post a YouTube video or two at some point. Well, I didn't break the car but my speedo did pack up!

[MaDFreeBiRD]

sounds good, im still glad your keeping the VX! Does this mean a 2-eleven is on the cards? cant wait for the video either

[Sutol]

Max, thanks again for the laps, impressed with the car and your control of it! I'm glad that you've decided on keeping your car, if Gavin is the only one that got past you I think that just about says it, ffs you overtook everything in sight with my ballast in the car. Should have some half reasonable pics of you passing said white exige and 2-11 on the pit straight soon.

Cheers Chris

One of my efforts - were you flashing him Max? oh and thanks for not mentioning the cushions

[A13X]

Sounds like a great day and i do love the 2-11! But i think you summed up everything exactly. From the track days ive been to/spectated at the art of going quickly is all about the driver. 2-11's, radicals all out on track only for a pretty standard s1 to come flying past them! It takes times like these to realise just how decent the vx can be and that you've found the love for it all over again. Strip it down and get one of the most sorted vx's out there.

[MAXR]

A quick sequence of video clips as promised, Sorry about the poor(ish) quality! It's my 1st time uploading with Google Video...


Click here!

[VXT Tim]

Anyone know what times the touring cars do round snetterton?

[cheeky_chops]

andrew walsh qualied on pole with 1:15.5 in a class A SC elise this year

Edited by cheeky_chops, 17 September 2008 - 03:12 PM.

[siztenboots]

Timewise , 1:20 is very good knowing what your tyres have been through this season. Realistically with the power and weight , I always compare laptimes to class B, ie. around 260bhp.

http://www.elisetrop...on08Results.pdf

[MAXR]

Timewise , 1:20 is very good knowing what your tyres have been through this season. Realistically with the power and weight , I always compare laptimes to class B, ie. around 260bhp.

http://www.elisetrop...on08Results.pdf

Steve (Sizetenboots),

I’m really pleased with the times I set compared to the lap times for the Class B,C cars.

From my data logger & using the fastest times for each sector before my tyres got shagged, I could have got down to just sub 1.19. I do need to get some tuition in next to improve. I am at Snetterton again next month and will have new rubber, so I will see if I can improve my times by a second or two. This will probably mean me making a couple of quick exits before I get it right. I know I can make Improvements at Bomb Hole & Coram Curve and through Russell, this will improve times quite a bit. Also next time I will have my roof on & windows up...

The clip below was taken just before finish time, and my tyres were completely cooked by then. Steffen at Back On Track thought I was crazy driving on the same tyres two track days ago as the nearside rear especially bad & the fronts have had 14 hard track days too, although they still had some tread on below the markers. The full set of A048’s I ordered from B.O.Track hadn't arrived in time, so It will be interesting to see what a fresh rubber all round feels like next time out.



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[siztenboots]

Timewise , 1:20 is very good knowing what your tyres have been through this season. Realistically with the power and weight , I always compare laptimes to class B, ie. around 260bhp.

http://www.elisetrop...on08Results.pdf

Steve (Sizetenboots),

I’m really pleased with the times I set compared to the lap times for the Class B,C cars.

From my data logger & using the fastest times for each sector before my tyres got shagged, I could have got down to just sub 1.19. I do need to get some tuition in next to improve. I am at Snetterton again next month and will have new rubber, so I will see if I can improve my times by a second or two. This will probably mean me making a couple of quick exits before I get it right. I know I can make Improvements at Bomb Hole & Coram Curve and through Russell, this will improve times quite a bit. Also next time I will have my roof on & windows up...

The clip below was taken just before finish time, and my tyres were completely cooked by then. Steffen at Back On Track thought I was crazy driving on the same tyres two track days ago as the nearside rear especially bad & the fronts have had 14 hard track days too, although they still had some tread on below the markers. The full set of A048’s I ordered from B.O.Track hadn't arrived in time, so It will be interesting to see what a fresh rubber all round feels like next time out.



CLICK HERE!

Max,

Just wondering , whereabouts are you now with suspension setup, last I knew you had standard spring rates on Nitron single adjustables, have you got a super stiff ARB yet ? If there was one thing you can see from the video following the 211, is how flat they remain. Are you now regularly at full hard damper ?

How about 15" wheels all round, lighter, lower ride height without messing up wishbone angles / bump steer / rack , and at the rear we could raise the height and put the driveline, cv's drive shafts angles positions back to closer what they were and also gain some more rake which will be good for front and rear overall aero , and get to around 90/100 , more like Stefans car.

Steve

Edited by siztenboots, 18 September 2008 - 08:36 AM.

[danger7]

MAXR, What about this specification as a track day car? Could be there are a few going cheap at the end of this season, a viable alternative to the 211 Oh its a Peugeot Spider 207 - just an idea. engine THP EP6 DTS Inline-4 valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VVT fuel feed Direct Petrol Injection displacement 1598 cc / 97.5 cu in bore 77 mm / 3.03 in stroke 85.8 mm / 3.38 in power 130.5 kw / 175 bhp specific output 109.51 bhp per litre bhp/weight 243.06 bhp per tonne torque 240 nm / 177.0 ft lbs @ 1600 rpm redline 6500 wheel type Aluminum Monoblock front tires 21/65-18 Michelin rear tires 21/65-18 Michelin front wheels F 45.7 x 20.3 cm / 18 x 8 in rear wheels R 45.7 x 20.3 cm / 18 x 8 in weight 720 kg / 1587 lbs wheelbase 2600 mm / 102.4 in front track 1505 mm / 59.3 in rear track 1615 mm / 63.6 in length 4131 mm / 162.6 in width 1854 mm / 73.0 in transmission Sadev ST 74-14 6-speed Transmission gear ratios :1 Cheers Ian

[MAXR]

MAXR,

What about this specification as a track day car?

Could be there are a few going cheap at the end of this season, a viable alternative to the 211

Oh its a Peugeot Spider 207 - just an idea.

engine THP EP6 DTS Inline-4
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VVT
fuel feed Direct Petrol Injection
displacement 1598 cc / 97.5 cu in
bore 77 mm / 3.03 in
stroke 85.8 mm / 3.38 in
power 130.5 kw / 175 bhp
specific output 109.51 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 243.06 bhp per tonne
torque 240 nm / 177.0 ft lbs @ 1600 rpm
redline 6500
wheel type Aluminum Monoblock
front tires 21/65-18 Michelin
rear tires 21/65-18 Michelin
front wheels F 45.7 x 20.3 cm / 18 x 8 in
rear wheels R 45.7 x 20.3 cm / 18 x 8 in
weight 720 kg / 1587 lbs
wheelbase 2600 mm / 102.4 in
front track 1505 mm / 59.3 in
rear track 1615 mm / 63.6 in
length 4131 mm / 162.6 in
width 1854 mm / 73.0 in
transmission Sadev ST 74-14 6-speed Transmission
gear ratios :1

Cheers
Ian

Sounds interesting! but I've now decided to spend next year just improving my driving & having plenty of tution, then the following year racing in a 2-11 or similar.

[danger7]

MAXR, If you need a grease monkey for youre racing team let me know, I'm also quite proficient at cleaning flies off visors. Cheers Ian

[MAXR]

Timewise , 1:20 is very good knowing what your tyres have been through this season. Realistically with the power and weight , I always compare laptimes to class B, ie. around 260bhp.

http://www.elisetrop...on08Results.pdf

Steve (Sizetenboots),

I’m really pleased with the times I set compared to the lap times for the Class B,C cars.

From my data logger & using the fastest times for each sector before my tyres got shagged, I could have got down to just sub 1.19. I do need to get some tuition in next to improve. I am at Snetterton again next month and will have new rubber, so I will see if I can improve my times by a second or two. This will probably mean me making a couple of quick exits before I get it right. I know I can make Improvements at Bomb Hole & Coram Curve and through Russell, this will improve times quite a bit. Also next time I will have my roof on & windows up...

The clip below was taken just before finish time, and my tyres were completely cooked by then. Steffen at Back On Track thought I was crazy driving on the same tyres two track days ago as the nearside rear especially bad & the fronts have had 14 hard track days too, although they still had some tread on below the markers. The full set of A048’s I ordered from B.O.Track hadn't arrived in time, so It will be interesting to see what a fresh rubber all round feels like next time out.




CLICK HERE!

Max,

Just wondering , whereabouts are you now with suspension setup, last I knew you had standard spring rates on Nitron single adjustables, have you got a super stiff ARB yet ? If there was one thing you can see from the video following the 211, is how flat they remain. Are you now regularly at full hard damper ?

How about 15" wheels all round, lighter, lower ride height without messing up wishbone angles / bump steer / rack , and at the rear we could raise the height and put the driveline, cv's drive shafts angles positions back to closer what they were and also gain some more rake which will be good for front and rear overall aero , and get to around 90/100 , more like Stefans car.

Steve

Steve,

Back on Track has stiffened my front ARB to the hardest setting now. My Nitron Single ways are still just standard springs 375 lbs front, 450 lbs rear, so not great. When I switch to the Lightweight Aluminium hubs I will be able to go lower without effecting the wishbone angle or CV shaft angles. I'm will be dropping the ride height another 15mm or so, fitting a large bespoke front splitter, a new high mounted LOT CF rear wing and upgrading my dampers. That should give me some aero improvements.

Let's face the facts....If Andy Walsh can go around Snet in 1.15 in a class A Elise, then improving driving ability is the major area which will bring genuine lap times tumbling....the car is secondary!

Cheers

Max

[siztenboots]

Timewise , 1:20 is very good knowing what your tyres have been through this season. Realistically with the power and weight , I always compare laptimes to class B, ie. around 260bhp.

http://www.elisetrop...on08Results.pdf

Steve (Sizetenboots),

I’m really pleased with the times I set compared to the lap times for the Class B,C cars.

From my data logger & using the fastest times for each sector before my tyres got shagged, I could have got down to just sub 1.19. I do need to get some tuition in next to improve. I am at Snetterton again next month and will have new rubber, so I will see if I can improve my times by a second or two. This will probably mean me making a couple of quick exits before I get it right. I know I can make Improvements at Bomb Hole & Coram Curve and through Russell, this will improve times quite a bit. Also next time I will have my roof on & windows up...

The clip below was taken just before finish time, and my tyres were completely cooked by then. Steffen at Back On Track thought I was crazy driving on the same tyres two track days ago as the nearside rear especially bad & the fronts have had 14 hard track days too, although they still had some tread on below the markers. The full set of A048’s I ordered from B.O.Track hadn't arrived in time, so It will be interesting to see what a fresh rubber all round feels like next time out.




CLICK HERE!

Max,

Just wondering , whereabouts are you now with suspension setup, last I knew you had standard spring rates on Nitron single adjustables, have you got a super stiff ARB yet ? If there was one thing you can see from the video following the 211, is how flat they remain. Are you now regularly at full hard damper ?

How about 15" wheels all round, lighter, lower ride height without messing up wishbone angles / bump steer / rack , and at the rear we could raise the height and put the driveline, cv's drive shafts angles positions back to closer what they were and also gain some more rake which will be good for front and rear overall aero , and get to around 90/100 , more like Stefans car.

Steve

Steve,

Back on Track has stiffened my front ARB to the hardest setting now. My Nitron Single ways are still just standard springs 375 lbs front, 450 lbs rear, so not great. When I switch to the Lightweight Aluminium hubs I will be able to go lower without effecting the wishbone angle or CV shaft angles. I'm will be dropping the ride height another 15mm or so, fitting a large bespoke front splitter, a new high mounted LOT CF rear wing and upgrading my dampers. That should give me some aero improvements.

Let's face the facts....If Andy Walsh can go around Snet in 1.15 in a class A Elise, then improving driving ability is the major area which will bring genuine lap times tumbling....the car is secondary!

Cheers

Max

that was a typo, Walshy has a class C SC with probably around 380bhp , circa £100K car

[MaDFreeBiRD]

thats quite insane really

[MAXR]

Timewise , 1:20 is very good knowing what your tyres have been through this season. Realistically with the power and weight , I always compare laptimes to class B, ie. around 260bhp.

http://www.elisetrop...on08Results.pdf

Steve (Sizetenboots),

I’m really pleased with the times I set compared to the lap times for the Class B,C cars.

From my data logger & using the fastest times for each sector before my tyres got shagged, I could have got down to just sub 1.19. I do need to get some tuition in next to improve. I am at Snetterton again next month and will have new rubber, so I will see if I can improve my times by a second or two. This will probably mean me making a couple of quick exits before I get it right. I know I can make Improvements at Bomb Hole & Coram Curve and through Russell, this will improve times quite a bit. Also next time I will have my roof on & windows up...

The clip below was taken just before finish time, and my tyres were completely cooked by then. Steffen at Back On Track thought I was crazy driving on the same tyres two track days ago as the nearside rear especially bad & the fronts have had 14 hard track days too, although they still had some tread on below the markers. The full set of A048’s I ordered from B.O.Track hadn't arrived in time, so It will be interesting to see what a fresh rubber all round feels like next time out.




CLICK HERE!

Max,

Just wondering , whereabouts are you now with suspension setup, last I knew you had standard spring rates on Nitron single adjustables, have you got a super stiff ARB yet ? If there was one thing you can see from the video following the 211, is how flat they remain. Are you now regularly at full hard damper ?

How about 15" wheels all round, lighter, lower ride height without messing up wishbone angles / bump steer / rack , and at the rear we could raise the height and put the driveline, cv's drive shafts angles positions back to closer what they were and also gain some more rake which will be good for front and rear overall aero , and get to around 90/100 , more like Stefans car.

Steve

Steve,

Back on Track has stiffened my front ARB to the hardest setting now. My Nitron Single ways are still just standard springs 375 lbs front, 450 lbs rear, so not great. When I switch to the Lightweight Aluminium hubs I will be able to go lower without effecting the wishbone angle or CV shaft angles. I'm will be dropping the ride height another 15mm or so, fitting a large bespoke front splitter, a new high mounted LOT CF rear wing and upgrading my dampers. That should give me some aero improvements.

Let's face the facts....If Andy Walsh can go around Snet in 1.15 in a class A Elise, then improving driving ability is the major area which will bring genuine lap times tumbling....the car is secondary!

Cheers

Max

that was a typo, Walshy has a class C SC with probably around 380bhp , circa £100K car

Ahhhh!!!!!!!!!

Well, I still can't see myself going around any quicker than 1.18 even if I strapped a rocket up my as*...

[covert ops]

MAXR

I'm suprised that you havent mentioned the Caparo T1.
its certainly not out of your price range

New Evo footage - on road with the 610bhp Caparo T1

http://www.evo.co.uk.../caparo_t1.html

Its just you seem to love your trackdays....its certainly something I'd consider if the funds allowed.
Anyhow just a thought.


Andy

[MAXR]

MAXR

I'm suprised that you havent mentioned the Caparo T1.
its certainly not out of your price range

New Evo footage - on road with the 610bhp Caparo T1

http://www.evo.co.uk.../caparo_t1.html

Its just you seem to love your trackdays....its certainly something I'd consider if the funds allowed.
Anyhow just a thought.


Andy

Andy,

Can you imagine driving that in the wet? or the thing self igniting like it has...or as Clarkson found, virtually no downforce below 120mph but enough above to stick it to a tunnel roof... I thought the X-bow was expensive to fix...

[siztenboots]

Steve,

Back on Track has stiffened my front ARB to the hardest setting now. My Nitron Single ways are still just standard springs 375 lbs front, 450 lbs rear, so not great. When I switch to the Lightweight Aluminium hubs I will be able to go lower without effecting the wishbone angle or CV shaft angles. I'm will be dropping the ride height another 15mm or so, fitting a large bespoke front splitter, a new high mounted LOT CF rear wing and upgrading my dampers. That should give me some aero improvements.

Let's face the facts....If Andy Walsh can go around Snet in 1.15 in a class A Elise, then improving driving ability is the major area which will bring genuine lap times tumbling....the car is secondary!

Cheers

Max

Max,

Are you going for the Reverie Motorsport wing , ( http://www.sector111...t_rear_wing.cfm ) . I assume the front splitter will be a typical plyboard DIY jobbie painted black. There are also canards that attach around the headlights area.

Steve