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[dannynewport]

My Krav Maga instructor is emmigrating to Melbourne next month & is leaving the class to be run by people I dont personally rate good enough to teach. Nice guys & 1 of them is very good but not instructor material,what I'm saying is how can you be taught by people you can outsmart,out-think & have bettered them every time you have paired up with them training ? I'm not being big headed but this is true, even though I outdo these people I personally would not be good enough to teach IMHO!So I am sadly quitting. I'm starting up MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) as seen in the amazing UFC. I was just wondering if anybody shares the same interest as it's not everybody's cup of tea?

Edited by dannynewport, 19 September 2009 - 07:46 PM.

[EssexVX]

My Krav Maga instructor is emmigrating to Melbourne next month & is leaving the class to be run by people I dont personally rate good enough to teach. Nice guys & 1 of them is very good but not instructor material,what I'm saying is how can you be taught by people you can outsmart,out-think & have bettered them every time you have paired up with them training ? I'm not being big headed but this is true, even though I outdo these people I personally would not be good enough to teach IMHO!So I am sadly quitting.
I'm starting up MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) as seen in the amazing UFC.
I was just wondering if anybody shares the same interest as it's not everybody's cup of tea?

Hi mate, I was just about to start a post seeing if anyone does Muay Thai! I would like to start lessons soon so wanted to see if anyone had experience of it.
I've never seen any UFC on TV (only have Freeview), but MMA sounds pretty good if it's a mix of styles.

Have you ever done Muay Thai?

[dannynewport]

Yeah,did a bit years ago but did Ninjitsu for a while after Karate & then went on to Krav Maga. MMA is purely brutal!

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Yeah,did a bit years ago but did Ninjitsu for a while after Karate & then went on to Krav Maga.
MMA is purely brutal!

Personally I'd love to give it a try, but find that the sparring is just stupid! They don't seem to be run very well locally, and everyone just gets thier heads mashed in from sparring....

We've got a European level cage rage fighter training at our boxing gym, as it's a ton better for his fitness levels and he doesn't get people trying to elbow him in the face!

I love MMA, and I do like the way that it's progressed away from being just a brutal 'fight', as it's more about technique these days which is great!! Very much a jujitsu style these days with grapplers ruling the roost.

Personally I prefer boxing though, as I believe it to be a superior sport. More demanding fitness wise, more technique involved, and better regulated. As an example, look at Floyd Mayweather. Probably the greatest boxer of my generation (between him and RJJ), and a true technician of the sport! His superior ability defines him as different from the others in his division, and he's not lost in 40 contests. You don't seem to see this in MMA, and it's accepted that everybody loses from time to time! Seems a little 'lucky punch' at times MMA for my liking where the best techncian of the sport is not always a winner. You get the odd lucky punch in boxing, but not really at the top end of the talent (ignoring heavyweights. They suck anyway).

Just a shame I was no good at it

[dannynewport]

More demanding fitness wise

I'd have to disagree there mate,don't get me wrong I know loads of boxers at pro level & amateur & their fitness levels are out of this world but the MMA guys who fight at the same kind of levels excel their training regime hands down,their stamina is awesome having to do 5 minute rounds instead of 3 etc. I know there are more rounds in Boxing but nearly doubling the amount of minutes in each round & taking blows to the legs,mid section & head takes twice as much out of you.
Seriously,watch MMA Fight Science, I think the episode is on Youtube in 9 or 10 six minute parts,you will see the difference in figures between boxers & MMA fighters.
I love Boxing too but I've taken to UFC more over the last 3 years.

[styles]

Love MMA, would love to do some training. Need to remove my much loved beer belly!

[G-Bob]

I'm in the process of looking for elsewhere to train as well. My instructor has just lost all enthusiasm since I got my 1st Dan he uses me as an assistant instructor in his Karate class. It's even worse when I turn up to train at his Thai-boxing class and he does the exact same. I'm getting slow because it's a small club and I'm mostly training with newbies and felt like I've been stale for about a year and a half. (All the other advanced folk have left) Want to do some proper pro-fights, but with the training I'm getting, I don't think I'll ever be ready. Off to look at a couple of Muay Thai training gyms run by proper instructors and trainers later in the week.

[G-Bob]

Love MMA, would love to do some training. Need to remove my much loved beer belly!

If you got into training MMA then that would dissapear soon enough!

[styles]

I think I will have a look out for some local places. Just dont want to train in a place filled with chavs who think their all like ken shamrock

[dannynewport]

Love MMA, would love to do some training. Need to remove my much loved beer belly!

If you got into training MMA then that would dissapear soon enough!

Thats my problem too,had 6 weeks off training & belly got me with the help of Fosters & Kopparberg!

[styles]

Kopparberg!

(as in lick my lips )

[G-Bob]

Thats my problem too,had 6 weeks off training & belly got me with the help of Fosters & Kopparberg!

Happens to me every Christmas. a couple of weeks off with no training and I get every cold/virus going around and put on about a stone in weight.

[dannynewport]

Thats my problem too,had 6 weeks off training & belly got me with the help of Fosters & Kopparberg!

Happens to me every Christmas. a couple of weeks off with no training and I get every cold/virus going around and put on about a stone in weight.

Holiday's are my breaking point..... I train consistently to be in shape for the top off beach weather then after two weeks in the sun with a full english every morning with a pint of cold beer I come back & slack off. Im going to Mexico in March so gotta train HARD starting from next week onwards.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

More demanding fitness wise

I'd have to disagree there mate,don't get me wrong I know loads of boxers at pro level & amateur & their fitness levels are out of this world but the MMA guys who fight at the same kind of levels excel their training regime hands down,their stamina is awesome having to do 5 minute rounds instead of 3 etc. I know there are more rounds in Boxing but nearly doubling the amount of minutes in each round & taking blows to the legs,mid section & head takes twice as much out of you.
Seriously,watch MMA Fight Science, I think the episode is on Youtube in 9 or 10 six minute parts,you will see the difference in figures between boxers & MMA fighters.
I love Boxing too but I've taken to UFC more over the last 3 years.

Got to disagree right back at ya Workrate in MMA is not nearly the same as a boxing match!! Look at Hatton, or early McCullough fights for a full 12 rounds of non stop action. Not taking away from the MMA guys, but boxers work at a much higher rate for nearly 50% longer than 5x5's.

[iram]

different sports different muscle groups used in different ways! boxing is more rhythmical pace using less of your body to extremes mma is all of your body to a high extreme pace and demand! an mma fighter can box a boxer cant do mma both very fit but mma comes out on top sorry! iram

[dannynewport]

different sports different muscle groups used in different ways!

boxing is more rhythmical pace using less of your body to extremes
mma is all of your body to a high extreme pace and demand!

an mma fighter can box a boxer cant do mma

both very fit but mma comes out on top sorry!


iram

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

different sports different muscle groups used in different ways!

boxing is more rhythmical pace using less of your body to extremes
mma is all of your body to a high extreme pace and demand!

an mma fighter can box a boxer cant do mma

both very fit but mma comes out on top sorry!


iram

Sorry that's utter horseshit.

Name one MMA fighter who can box ...? Matt Skelton is the closest possibility, and he came from K1, and can't box for sh1t. You telling me Ken Shamrock could do 12x3's...? It's raising it's game, but MMA is boxings skanky cousin!

Guys Like Urijah Faber are awsome at what they do, but it's generally stalk, a few shots, then grapple, which although extremely physically demanding is not in the same league as the fitness levels of someone in the same weight catagory in boxing, say... Manny Pacquiao who is flat out working for 36 mins, not 25. Like I mentioned, that's almost 50% longer, at a higher workrate. Unless you appreciate the technique on display alot of MMA is boring, as it's two guys hugging on the floor waiting for a mistake from the other. That said, I used to love Genki Sudo!!

I'm really not going down the 'who's hardest' route, as both would prevail in thier own ring, but purely down to physical demand boxing is far tougher!

Boxers work harder for longer, so how can it be less demanding...?

[dannynewport]

Foook what have I started?? This could go on for ages. At the end of the day if you put a pro boxer in the ring with a pro MMA fighter & tell them to box....the boxer will win but if you ask them to "fight" the MMA fighter will win. Each person has their own styles and are far superior to eachother in them. As JJJ said in MMA there are a lot of lucky punches which is true but I've also seen them occur in boxing too,maybe not as many because pinpointing punches is the whole game. The reason I started the thread was as I'm giving MMA a go,not as a sport to compete but just as I enjoy it & it all helps in real life situations that occur everyday in this day & age. Boxing is a great art & if somebody attacks you in the street or pub/club & you get a good shot then you knock your opponent out with minimal effort but if a boxer gets taken down to the ground where he has no momentum or range of motion then a MMA fighter will certainly walk away unscathed. I think the statistics were somewhere around 85% of streetfights end up on the ground. Therefore thats why "I" think MMA is better but thats just my opinion.

Edited by dannynewport, 22 September 2009 - 03:22 PM.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Foook what have I started??
This could go on for ages.
At the end of the day if you put a pro boxer in the ring with a pro MMA fighter & tell them to box....the boxer will win but if you ask them to "fight" the MMA fighter will win.
Each person has their own styles and are far superior to eachother in them.
As JJJ said in MMA there are a lot of lucky punches which is true but I've also seen them occur in boxing too,maybe not as many because pinpointing punches is the whole game.
The reason I started the thread was as I'm giving MMA a go,not as a sport to compete but just as I enjoy it & it all helps in real life situations that occur everyday in this day & age. Boxing is a great art & if somebody attacks you in the street or pub/club & you get a good shot then you knock your opponent out with minimal effort but if a boxer gets taken down to the ground where he has no momentum or range of motion then a MMA fighter will certainly walk away unscathed. I think the statistics were somewhere around 85% of streetfights end up on the ground.
Therefore thats why "I" think MMA is better but thats just my opinion.

I've got no beef with that! In a pub I'd hate to end up fighting with some guy who was MMA trained. Goes without saying, as it's his territory!! I've also trained wth MMA guys who want to improve the stand up element of thier fighting, and they generally need to start with some real fundemantals!

But none of this is the point we were making.....

At the end of the day if you put a pro boxer in the ring with a pro MMA fighter & tell them to box....the boxer will win but if you ask them to "fight" the MMA fighter will win.
But if you put them both on a treadmill the boxer will win

That's all I mean. I think the other thing I mean is this.... I've seen tons of great athlets go on to Boxing honours. I've also seen tons of dipsh1ts from my old school go on to fail at boxing and suceed at MMA.

Not calling Neggy a dipsh1t, but he came to my boxing gym years ago, and left without even getting as far as sparring. He's now back with us for fitness work....

Neggy in action European champ!!

Now Neggy is fit as a fiddle, and hard as nails.

Here's another vid that really tickles me. Good luck Danny. I might even come along and do some training with you, then you can come with me. I need to get in shape!!

Ha Ha, just found this too!! Hilarious!!!

Edited by JimmyJamJerusalem, 22 September 2009 - 08:21 PM.

[iram]

different sports different muscle groups used in different ways!

boxing is more rhythmical pace using less of your body to extremes
mma is all of your body to a high extreme pace and demand!

an mma fighter can box a boxer cant do mma

both very fit but mma comes out on top sorry!


iram

Sorry that's utter horseshit.

Name one MMA fighter who can box ...? Matt Skelton is the closest possibility, and he came from K1, and can't box for sh1t. You telling me Ken Shamrock could do 12x3's...? It's raising it's game, but MMA is boxings skanky cousin!

Guys Like Urijah Faber are awsome at what they do, but it's generally stalk, a few shots, then grapple, which although extremely physically demanding is not in the same league as the fitness levels of someone in the same weight catagory in boxing, say... Manny Pacquiao who is flat out working for 36 mins, not 25. Like I mentioned, that's almost 50% longer, at a higher workrate. Unless you appreciate the technique on display alot of MMA is boring, as it's two guys hugging on the floor waiting for a mistake from the other. That said, I used to love Genki Sudo!!

I'm really not going down the 'who's hardest' route, as both would prevail in thier own ring, but purely down to physical demand boxing is far tougher!

Boxers work harder for longer, so how can it be less demanding...?

you are obviously passionate about the old dying noble art! lol
all mma fighters box lol you blatantly no nothing about training as an mma fighter!
infact a lot of mma fighters partake in boxing matches for fun!

the reason why you know of no names of any high profile mma fighters that can box is because they are MMA FIGHTERS!

look at it regards to calories to try and explain! a boxer will burn slightly less calories per hour than an mma fighter!
if you say as you mention Manny Pacquiao a 55kg 30 year old, fights a 36min snooze fest cos he cant finish the guy wearing pillows! and you compare him to ken shamrock a 46 year old 90 kg man doing 25 mins of boxing wrestling takedowns ground work ect then the calories burnt would equate to around the same good old ken!

iram