176 replies to this topic

[siztenboots]

driving on the road with diesel/coolant/other slippery stuff should never pose any problems if you are nowhere near the limit.

What kind of rpm / acceleration / braking is being referred to here as near the limit ?

near_the_limit = ( rpm > forum posts )

[VIX]

driving on the road with diesel/coolant/other slippery stuff should never pose any problems if you are nowhere near the limit.

What kind of rpm / acceleration / braking is being referred to here as near the limit ?

How about ability? Too many owners do not seem to realize they are driving a car with near super-car performance and need to treat it with respect. Vauxhall gave new owners a day of training at Palmersport for a reason and many owners have gone on to take driver training with Andy Walsh, Ben Elliott etc again, for a reason. Too many drivers think they can jump into a VX220 and drive it like they did their Nova.

Edited by VIX, 09 December 2009 - 03:20 PM.

[jonnyboy]

Ever been on an oil and water skidpan? The total loss of traction is difficult to comprehend

No but i have driven a kart on slicks in the wet, been round oulton park in a single seater when it was pissing down and very slippery

I will even admit to nearly losing the vx on a couple of occasions but that me drivng like a tw@t with a heavy right foot

like i said before, driving on the road with diesel/coolant/other slippery stuff should never pose any problems if you are nowhere near the limit.

Kind of demonstrates the point. Wet track, carts on slicks etc still nowhere near the total loss of traction you get from oil.

I went on a police skidpan they use for training and was amazed they even bother using it as it was totally unrealistic. You wouldn't be able to walk on it. Even in very wet and slippy conditions you get some feedback and breakaway (especially in the Vx) on oil it just goes and that's it. Hence my belief that it's just luck if you do catch it within the 20 feet you've usually got before you hit the opposite kerb/tree/car etc.

[The Batman]

i acnt be arsed reading through everyones posts on all the sad topics this time of year but.... what makes everyone think that a diesel car/truck comes round the corner and just dumps oil/diesel on the floor but then continues to drive off?!

[LazyDonkey]

driving on the road with diesel/coolant/other slippery stuff should never pose any problems if you are nowhere near the limit.

What kind of rpm / acceleration / braking is being referred to here as near the limit ?

near_the_limit = ( rpm > forum posts )

Post of the day goes to siztenboots

End of the day, from reading this forum 95% of all VX crashes happen due to diesel.

Which is bollocks.

End of.

Edited by LazyDonkey, 09 December 2009 - 03:31 PM.

[davep24]

driving on the road with diesel/coolant/other slippery stuff should never pose any problems if you are nowhere near the limit.

What kind of rpm / acceleration / braking is being referred to here as near the limit ?

How about ability? Too many owners do not seem to realize they are driving a car with near super-car performance and need to treat it with respect. Vauxhall gave new owners a day of training at Palmersport for a reason and many owners have gone on to take driver training with Andy Walsh, Ben Elliott etc again, for a reason. Too many drivers think they can jump into a VX220 and drive it like they did their Nova.

the limit changes depending on the amount of traction, its the drivers ability to recognise when it is being approached and adjust accordingly. if the road conditions are unknown then you shouldnt be driving anywhere near the limit

Edited by davep24, 09 December 2009 - 03:43 PM.

[techieboy]

what makes everyone think that a diesel car/truck comes round the corner and just dumps oil/diesel on the floor but then continues to drive off?!

Have you never seen it happening? Seen it happen on many an occasion, especially when a truck has just topped up and they presumably haven't put the tank cap on properly (or maybe there some kind of vent) and going round roundabouts or tight curves in service stations. They presumably aren't aware of it otherwise I'm pretty sure they'd stop as it's money just p!ssing away.

Followed a Volvo for nearly a mile on the Bedford bypass a couple of weeks back and he was spewing petrol out of his tank at 80mph. The wife was trying to make the driver aware as we went past but he just looked at us like we were nutters.

[techieboy]

many owners have gone on to take driver training with Andy Walsh, Ben Elliott etc again, for a reason.

Which reminds me. We must fix up another Ben Elliot day next year.

[VIX]

many owners have gone on to take driver training with Andy Walsh, Ben Elliott etc again, for a reason.

Which reminds me. We must fix up another Ben Elliot day next year.

[LazyDonkey]

Followed a Volvo for nearly a mile on the Bedford bypass a couple of weeks back and he was spewing petrol out of his tank at 80mph. The wife was trying to make the driver aware as we went past but he just looked at us like we were nutters.

Yes but there is a difference between "some fluid on the road" and "skid pan slick where you ahve no hope of controlling your car at 10mph"

Reading crash posts would lead the newbie to assume that the latter scenario is up and down the country.

I did 7k on a motorbike this year and managed to stay upright for the whole year.

[JG]

like we were nutters.

you are a nutter

Edited by JG, 09 December 2009 - 03:47 PM.

[TurboTomato]

driving on the road with diesel/coolant/other slippery stuff should never pose any problems if you are nowhere near the limit.

What kind of rpm / acceleration / braking is being referred to here as near the limit ?

near_the_limit = ( rpm > forum posts )

Post of the day goes to siztenboots

End of the day, from reading this forum 95% of all VX crashes happen due to diesel.

Which is bollocks.

End of.

Get with it Lazy

The following are statistical FACTS:

Causes of VX accidents:
95% Diesel
5% Widowmaking Bridgestones
0% Driver perception of talent > Actual driver talent

[LY_Scott]

[Seb.F]

near_the_limit = ( rpm > forum posts )

I'm holding true to that so far then!

God bless the likes of JG/Fab/YorB.... and TT

Edited by Seb.F, 09 December 2009 - 04:05 PM.

[JG]

i've only ever hit the limiter in mine once

[TurboTomato]

I remember hitting the limit in 3rd in the TVR once, right in the middle of overtaking someone. Made it quite interesting when you consider the fact that it would do nearly 80 in 2nd.

[Decky]

I was driving along in another car I used to have when I started smelling diesel, I dismissed it as part of the car I was driving, as it was a diesel. Approached a roundabout and had no brakes, no steering, nothing and ended up in the barrier with busted fibreglass metal and glass everywhere. I looked into claiming off the road service and they are only liable if someone reported it and they took no action. I was the first person to report it so only person I could claim off was the person who spilled it but no such luck there as they were long gone. Hadda wait for fire brigade to come out and wash about 4 miles of dual carriageway with foam and water was a bad day

Edited by Decky, 09 December 2009 - 04:31 PM.

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

Vauxhall gave new owners a day of training at Palmersport

and myself i had two with palmersport paid by vauxhall when i bought the vx as i was a case plus had to do another no being contempt
i did learn so much on the car btw




here is a tip lol

HOW SMART IS YOUR RIGHT FOOT?

You have to try this please, it takes 2 seconds.

1. While sitting at your desk in front of your computer, lift
Your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles.

2. Now, while doing this, draw the number '6' in the air
With your right hand. Your foot will change direction.

I told you so! And there's nothing you can do about it!

You and I both know how stupid it is, but before the

Day is done you are going to try it again, if you've not already done so.

Edited by crazyfrog, 09 December 2009 - 04:47 PM.

[techieboy]

like we were nutters.

you are a nutter

That's only partially true. The rest of the time I'm psychotic.