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[System-G]

Just after people views on the pads listed below. We track the car regularly, but it is also used on the road. I am also known to be extremely heavy on brakes on track and am partial to setting fire to the odd set once in a while... I have whittled the choices down to: Performance Friction Pagid RS42 Carbone Lorraine RC6 So what would your recommendations of the above be? Cheers

[chris_uk]

have you tried Ferodo DS2500's? its what i use and never been a problem. unfortunatly i cant comment on any of the above.

[techieboy]

Strange list to have whittled it down to. Not really comparing similar ranges there.

[System-G]

have you tried Ferodo DS2500's? its what i use and never been a problem.

unfortunatly i cant comment on any of the above.

Yes. Absolutely appaling. Serious brake fade in a 900kg car (admitidly small discs) in under 15 minutes on track. Never again, despite decent recommendations from some.

Strange list to have whittled it down to. Not really comparing similar ranges there.

Why strange?
What would you recommend?

[RobNA]

Carbone Lorraine RC5+ or 6s

Edited by RobNA, 06 July 2010 - 04:44 PM.

[chris_uk]

ive never really noticed any fade using them at all, but i have 4pots with 308mm discs, maybe thats why. hmm.. ill have to have a look at this.

[Pidgeon]

Blues too soft, need black or grey Pagid.

[Crabash]

Fairly sure either the CL RC5+ or Pagid RS14 will be more than up to the job, especially with some new discs as well. As far as I know RS42's are more of a fast road/light track pad.

[techieboy]

Why strange?
What would you recommend?

Just that the pads you list aren't really directly comparable, in my opinion. They're all from different levels within their manufacturers ranges.

The Pagid RS4-2 (blue) which I'd been running for 3 years was a very good pad but was getting to the limit of what was possible after 15 minutes on the track. Or certainly was after I got the car supercharged. Great for fast road and the occasional 3 or 4 trackdays a year but were noisy as feck.

As Partridge said, the black or grey Pagids - RS14 or RS15 - would be a better bet as a pad that was going to see plenty of track action and maybe less road driving.

The CL RC6 pad is possibly overkill on a road car but by all accounts is a seriously good pad. As Crabash said, the CL RC5+ is a stunning pad and just gets better and better the more abuse you throw at them on track but are still usable on the road without huge noise issues. Couldn't believe how well they stood up to the beating they took at Silverstone Stowe a few weeks back which was hard on brakes. No fade whatsoever and actually seemed to give more feel the hotter they got. The RC5+'s, or at least our fitment, where actually developed on a Europa with the help Hofmanns. They're even a bit less than any of the Pagid options.

No direct experience of the Performance Friction pads. I think NickB777 might be able to do a comparison between those and the RC5+ which he is now running. Although, the last thing I heard (which may not be correct) was that PF had stopped making them for the Elise/VX.

CL RC5+ are the ones to go for, at the moment.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

I use Pagid blacks and nobody is harder on brakes than I am. Fantastic on the circuit, great on road. Noisy till they are warm *(which they never get on road) and rattle like hell in the caliper though. I just turn the stereo up.

[chris_uk]

cant you fit them anti rattel pads?

[Crabash]

Hofmann's said they could fit them but they can cause the pad to jam/stick, they can operate at higher temps and so expand more, hence rattling when cold/coolish. At least thats the reason I was given. I had some high temp goop applied to the edges which does work for a limited time on the road, seems to be less effective after a trackday or two.

Edited by Crabash, 06 July 2010 - 08:24 PM.

[slindborg]

I had PFB 97's on mine for road/semi track use. They were insanely awesome, but fcuked the wheels Odds on the RC5+s are very similar in the way they behave.

[siztenboots]

rc6 will make your ears bleed

[System-G]

Thanks for all replies @ Techieboy - thanks for a omprehensive review My choice was whittled down to a combination of some experience with the Pagid RS42's - having driven S1 Elises with them and apparently that is what is currently fitted to our car - although a recent outing at Anglesey (day before the national) with the blue's = major brake fade on a couple of occasions - but I put it down to the fluid having boiled. And looking at the pads, there is no hint of blue anywhere on them so either the coating has burned black or they were RS14 to start with... Jonbe (previous owner) knows the pads were Pagids, but can't remember the exact compound. The Performance Friction pads are recommended by a friend who I do a fair bit of work with via BaT. They race Elises and Exiges as well as do track hire in the cars with the pads fitted. He said to avoid the CL's... but didn't go too much into the reasons and I didn't ask. Apparently the PF are very noisy too. The car is used as much on track as it is road - noise isn't a problem. The CL's were shortlisted from recomendations here. I can get the PF's at a competitive price, so may just give them a go and report back in due course. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

[slindborg]

the PFB97's were a little noisy, but nothing that made me not want to use them

[kipper]

I use Pagid blacks and nobody is harder on brakes than I am. Fantastic on the circuit, great on road.

Noisy till they are warm *(which they never get on road) and rattle like hell in the caliper though.

I just turn the stereo up.

With CL RC5's, 308 mm disks, four pots, and brake cooling ducts, you mght be in for some for some competition that department
No rattle and no squeal at any speed, in fact quieter than my old 1144 combination. The only problem is the first application when cold, there is very lttle 'bite'. However, overall an awesome stopping combination, which I'm very pleased with.

[techieboy]

and brake cooling ducts

Can certainly vouch for Ducatti996Senna's cooling duct kit. It works an absolute treat and the brakes were probably the only thing on my car at Silverstone Stowe that wasn't at (or past) melting point. A very worthwhile investment if you've no particular attachment to your fog lights.

[System-G]

All food for thought - Cheers

[Winstar]

If you go for the Pagids it's been found best to get a grade higher on the rear than the front witht the na. ie RS14 front RS15 rear. I'm currently running the RS42 front and RS14 rear which i find a good road bias set up, would definatly go for RS14/RS15 on a track car though. Ssaying that I'm prob going to try the CL RC5+ next though

Edited by Winstar, 07 July 2010 - 09:31 AM.