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[MartinS]

My car has run on Valvoline Syn power 0-40 for the last 2 years but its a pig to get hold of and wondered what everyone else is using. My car is about to have an oil change and always used Mobil one until it was supercharged, its good stuff and easy to get hold of, so was thinking about Mobil one 0-40. Thoughts? Martin s

[The Batman]

link if you wanted to stay with the same oil

[siztenboots]

fully synth ester based , just ordered 20L of same but 10w60 http://www.opieoils....e-oil-5w40.aspx I don't know the details of the 2.2 oil cooler setup and the temperatures you get for extended duration track use in summer.

[techieboy]

I use Silkolene Pro S 5W/40 or 10W/40 (or whatever it's new Fuchs name is) and before that it was always Motul 300V 5W/40.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

I use Halford Fully Synth 5W-40

[Winstar]

I use Halford Fully Synth 5W-40

They don't rev that high or need to cool a turbo so any fully synth will do.

[oilman]

fully synth ester based , just ordered 20L of same but 10w60
http://www.opieoils....e-oil-5w40.aspx

I don't know the details of the 2.2 oil cooler setup and the temperatures you get for extended duration track use in summer.

The Gulf is a bargain at the moment, but the offer ends this sunday I think. That would be a very good choice, cheaper and better than Mobil 1.

Edited by oilman, 11 February 2011 - 03:09 PM.

[MartinS]

So we have a range of 0-40, 5-40 and 10-40 so far. I believe ethe synpower was recomended by Courtenays but I guess thats as they sell it. Interesting options, but I do want one thats easy to get hold of, as I've found myself a few times needing a top up and having to order it online which is a pain, really want something I can pick up locally. Thanks all for your responses. Martin s

[siztenboots]

the 0w or 5w or 10w, is really just the rated thickness for winter use, as oil is very much thicker at low temperatures, pretty much any fully synth anything W 40 will do, just get some extra and decant in to a 1L bottle for topups.

[fezzasus]

finally! a subject I can contribute to [even as a noob]

I work at one of four companies that formulate 95% of all engine oils on sale. I don't empty the bins or answer phones either, i work in the department that develops new passenger car engine oil.

So, the Vx220 manual has fairly loose guidelines on oil; they require ACEA spec oil, ACEA is a european body that dictates the testing requirements of various oils, this results in oils reading something like 'ACEA A3/B4 5W-40' - the A and B section refer to different petrol and diesel needs; new diesels uses diesel particulate filters [DPFs] so cannot used engine oils with high SAPS [sulfated ash - the stuff left over when the oil is burnt and reacted with sulfuric acid] because the ash blocks the DPF. More relevant to a VX220 forum, catalytic converters are poisoned by phosphorus, so limiting that has a bonus too. Generally the higher the number after the A/B, the less ash and phos it has. C type oils are for diesels with DPFs, it doesn't matter if the oil has then, but you don't need to worry about the number for your VX.

Now, onto some useful info;

The standard ACEA specs require the engine oils to be tested in engines mounted on dynometers, these engines are supplied by different manufacturers and are adapted to test specific parts of an engine oil; wear performance, soot loading for diesel engines, high temperature viscosity increase, acid neutralisation and so on. A typical ACEA oil has been tested in 8 engines, they are listed here; http://www.infineum....08 Brochure.pdf [sections 2]

on top of that, car manufacturers can add their own claims as well as ACEA, such as VW 504/507, Opel Dextros, Daimler 229.51 ect. Each requires additional engine test or tighter passing limits of the ACEA engine tests.

So, i'll ask you this; given the current ACEA specs do not use any Opel/GM/Vauxhall engines, how happy are you putting a standard ACEA oil into your VX220?

Would you rather you had an oil that only works well in eight engines, or one that has been proved to work well in 15 or 20?

Get one with more claims

The specific brand doesn't matter, as they all buy the additives and the oil 'recipe' [mix of different oil cuts and amount of additive package] from either us or the other three additive companies anyway.

Hope this helps

[Ormes]

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Intersting read

[JG]

I use royal purple
Royal Purple
And have done for the last three years after seeing some tribology results.

It is is fucking expensive though at around £12 a quart (you need 6 for the vx)

[oilman]

What did you see in the results you liked? Last time we had Royal Purple looked at it was not very inmpressive, that was a few years ago now. Cheers Guy.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

One of my sponsors is Lucas Oils and I've been having an interesting chat with them about the amount of oil we burn with the SC 2.2's. They reckon they have a solution. If I can prove it's a winner and that it will keep our oil levels stable then I will post it up. Got to test first though. How much oil do we put in...?

[mulletmaster]

Yeh I'd like to know how much you guys put in as well!

[leevx2.2]

One of my sponsors is Lucas Oils and I've been having an interesting chat with them about the amount of oil we burn with the SC 2.2's. They reckon they have a solution. If I can prove it's a winner and that it will keep our oil levels stable then I will post it up. Got to test first though.

How much oil do we put in...?

I think it is about 4.8 litres tell me more Jim

[slindborg]

finally! a subject I can contribute to [even as a noob]

I work at one of four companies that formulate 95% of all engine oils on sale. I don't empty the bins or answer phones either, i work in the department that develops new passenger car engine oil.

So, the Vx220 manual has fairly loose guidelines on oil; they require ACEA spec oil, ACEA is a european body that dictates the testing requirements of various oils, this results in oils reading something like 'ACEA A3/B4 5W-40' - the A and B section refer to different petrol and diesel needs; new diesels uses diesel particulate filters [DPFs] so cannot used engine oils with high SAPS [sulfated ash - the stuff left over when the oil is burnt and reacted with sulfuric acid] because the ash blocks the DPF. More relevant to a VX220 forum, catalytic converters are poisoned by phosphorus, so limiting that has a bonus too. Generally the higher the number after the A/B, the less ash and phos it has. C type oils are for diesels with DPFs, it doesn't matter if the oil has then, but you don't need to worry about the number for your VX.

Now, onto some useful info;

The standard ACEA specs require the engine oils to be tested in engines mounted on dynometers, these engines are supplied by different manufacturers and are adapted to test specific parts of an engine oil; wear performance, soot loading for diesel engines, high temperature viscosity increase, acid neutralisation and so on. A typical ACEA oil has been tested in 8 engines, they are listed here; http://www.infineum....08 Brochure.pdf [sections 2]

on top of that, car manufacturers can add their own claims as well as ACEA, such as VW 504/507, Opel Dextros, Daimler 229.51 ect. Each requires additional engine test or tighter passing limits of the ACEA engine tests.

So, i'll ask you this; given the current ACEA specs do not use any Opel/GM/Vauxhall engines, how happy are you putting a standard ACEA oil into your VX220?

Would you rather you had an oil that only works well in eight engines, or one that has been proved to work well in 15 or 20?

Get one with more claims

The specific brand doesn't matter, as they all buy the additives and the oil 'recipe' [mix of different oil cuts and amount of additive package] from either us or the other three additive companies anyway.

Hope this helps

ATLAST, Real oil info from someone who's no selling it (well not directly anyway )

[oilman]

ATLAST, Real oil info from someone who's no selling it (well not directly anyway )

Someone has to sell the stuff this chap develops

[fezzasus]

What did you see in the results you liked? Last time we had Royal Purple looked at it was not very inmpressive, that was a few years ago now.

Cheers

Guy.

I've contacted them asking for how they've tested and demonstrated their performance. If I get a response i'll put it up here and translate what it actually means

[Peter Punter]

Excellent post by fezzasus