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#81 turbobob

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:05 PM


I should add that the way the bodywork is made doesn't help. Its glass matting in a closed mould that has plastic injected. It gives consistent sizes but often doesn't fully wet the fibres which may cause wicking of moisture into the laminate.


Also the injection-mould process doesn't need much, if any, gelcoat applied to the mould for it to release properly so VX (and S2 Elise) clams are virtually 'bare' GRP with little or no gelcoat to speak of compared to traditional GRP construction.

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Using basically an adhesive as a release agent in an injection mold? That doesn't sound right.

Speaking of which, the clam is massive. I'm trying to get my head around the size of the press needed. It must be in excess of 1000 ton :unsure:

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:22 PM


FYI, it isn't actually osmosis. Osmosis is the movement of a liquid through a semi-premeable membrane down the concentration gradient. Boats and other submersed fibreglass constructions suffer from osmosis. Unless you keep your car in the bath you can't get it.

My dad re-sprayed his MG in the late 80s in his garage. He didn't prep the body properly nor spray it in a dry environment and it shows exactly the same symptoms as the paint on our cars. It is the quality of the painting and painting environment, not the clam.

Anyone brave enough to get a scraper out and scrape off the paint on the affected area will see that it is where the paint has lifted from the clam, not damage to the clam itself

This has been debated a lot on here. The misconception is the bubbling is osmosis. However, as we have been discussing, there is probably a degree of moisture from the air transferring through the gel coat into the GRP. This would be classed as osmosis I believe.


Only if the clams were constructed in a completely moisture free environment, which they shouldn't have been. The part lacking in the osmosis is the concentration gradient. Plus you would need an awful lot of water in the air to cause it in that direction. It's possible (although unlikely) that the clams produced in the winter may get osmosis from the clam into the air, but it is almost definitely the quality of the paint above anything else. We don't really have large enough fluxtuations in water ppm in the air to cause it on a perceivable scale in the UK.

For the record I have none on mine (2001 N/A), but I do have a couple of areas where the paint has lifted from the surface of the GRP.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:23 PM

FYI, it isn't actually osmosis. Osmosis is the movement of a liquid through a semi-premeable membrane down the concentration gradient. Boats and other submersed fibreglass constructions suffer from osmosis. Unless you keep your car in the bath you can't get it.

My dad re-sprayed his MG in the late 80s in his garage. He didn't prep the body properly nor spray it in a dry environment and it shows exactly the same symptoms as the paint on our cars. It is the quality of the painting and painting environment, not the clam.

Anyone brave enough to get a scraper out and scrape off the paint on the affected area will see that it is where the paint has lifted from the clam, not damage to the clam itself


as I've said many times before, some of the flakes I removed contained GRP particles etc and exposed the inner GRP structure.... akin to the corrosion caused by uncured resin and water. Some of it was simply lifted paint from the body though.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:53 PM

The area that has started to bubble on mine is, by the sound of things not by coincidence, an area that the paint has always looked a bit 'dodgy'.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:57 PM

Paint lifting on steel car is often water retention in the primer. Primer is porous just like the fibreglass. WRT the moulding process I believe they use an adhesive to hold the matting in place but thats not uncommon. They also use a polyester veil layer to smooth the surfaces. You can often see this as fluff on the backside of the laminate. Interestingly the crash box is made in the same way (albeit with acrylic rather than cheap sht) and I have found air bubbles along the crush tubes in some. Wouldnee be wanting a crash in that car!

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:21 PM

My car was painted last year & bubbles started to appear over winter, since then I have noticed more & more! The painters told me to go back if there's any bubbling, so a visit I will be taking next month & another spray they will have to give it as per there agreement with me. Out of interest, any VXRs got bubbling paint?





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