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[Mangham54]

wikipedia says the 3.2 weighs 168kg!? surely thats wrong!? maybe engine + box weigh that?
Can't remember what the 2.2 lump weighs but its nothing like 168 kgs!!

I weighed my old tweaked 2.2 engine = 113KG with alternator and itb's

standard z22se = 135kg, cast iron lardy 3.2 would be about 168 kg

But standard vs standard, that's 'only' 33kg more for An extra 60-70 bhp.... Not a bad offset lol

Plus having looked at the VX wiring loom I would have thought there was a kilo or two to be pulled back from that.

[Rosssco]

A subject I've looked into a lot... However, I found there isn't really an engine that would drop in easily, but offer a decent performance increase against other options. Older GM V6s are available, but not light (~170kg) and not that powerful. Newer GM V6s (e.g. Z28NEx) are available, but turbocharged and have issues relating to getting the standard ECU working I'd really want one of the current generation V6 engines like those from Toyota or Nissan, with 3.5L capacity, and an easy 300bhp.. 150-160kg is about right for an alloy block V6. Given that a standard 2.2 engine with a stage 2 SC is a ~160kg engine setup, it's not that heavy at all really.. Korkey on here was I think serious on converting to a V6T engine, not sure if he pursued this however..

[Korkey]

Rosssco.......yes serious......I was. After much "chat" with people who could interface the ecu issues, VX to VXR Vauxhall. It then turned out to not be so easy as I had been lead to believe. In fact, so far no one has come forward to solve the problems. The whole paper project just about wore me out. To that end I have been speaking with Duncan ( here ) and we have a few ideas about another way forwartd for me. Hope to be having a meeting with him very soon. Regards. Korkey.

Edited by Korkey, 16 September 2012 - 02:25 PM.

[Robski]

Rosssco.......yes serious......I was.
After much "chat" with people who could interface the ecu issues, VX to VXR Vauxhall.
It then turned out to not be so easy as I had been lead to believe. In fact, so far no one has come forward to solve the problems.
The whole paper project just about wore me out.

To that end I have been speaking with Duncan ( here ) and we have a few ideas about another way forwartd for me.

Hope to be having a meeting with him very soon.

Regards.
Korkey.

I'm looking forward to this project thread already!
R

[Rosssco]

Rosssco.......yes serious......I was.
After much "chat" with people who could interface the ecu issues, VX to VXR Vauxhall.
It then turned out to not be so easy as I had been lead to believe. In fact, so far no one has come forward to solve the problems.
The whole paper project just about wore me out.

To that end I have been speaking with Duncan ( here ) and we have a few ideas about another way forwartd for me.

Hope to be having a meeting with him very soon.

Regards.
Korkey.

Great to hear your percivering with that option Rich.! Look forward to hearing about it in due course.

Ross

[FLD]

I've always found production V6's a bit dissapointing. They seem to be lazy like a large V8 but then have torque not far off a 4 pot. Might just be my experience :dunno:. If I were looking at conversions I'd either be looking V8 (like groundeffects car) or a revvy 4 pot. I suspect a revvy motor would suit the VX better. If you really want a V6 then it might be worth looking at whcih mondeo V6 was turbo'd for the noble. That seems to go quite well!

[slindborg]

Have to say, the z22 did feel a lot like my 30xe did in terms of torque delivery and quantity.

[vocky]

I have thought about fitting the vauxhall 3.2 v6 into mine, but with a standalone ecu and ITB's However the cost of the conversion and the extra weight from the cast iron block when compared with the power increase just didn't make it seem worthwhile.

[slindborg]

I saw a tb'd gm v6 once..... Seemed a total waste of efforts for the gains

[Bumblebee]

Just my 2 pence worth how about a noble m400 engine? Out of the ford mondeo st220

[slindborg]

They were unreliable as fcuk weren't they

[Bumblebee]

They were unreliable as fcuk weren't they

I presume noble would of tweaked it a little ie made it stronger

Edited by Aimy, 16 September 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[slindborg]

I soooo want to live in your world. All of the boosted mondeo engines that were at Mountune for service seemed to need all the tlc they could get.

[allsteel]

DG's probs not far from the mark with some of his ideas. The RS4 v8 would be awesome if it could be done and possibly the new v6 Audi motors. A while ago i saw David Kynastons V6 n/a Audi rally motor and fcuk me what a noise on throttle bodies. Summat like these 2 would see me bin my turbo motor in a flash if i could afford it.I've always felt this family of cars,(Lotus included),were made for big power n/a's.

[thor12]

what about a high revving s2000 engine. Small, light but powerful.

[Bumblebee]

what about a high revving s2000 engine. Small, light but powerful.

I though you couldn't fit the s2000 engine in something to do with the layout?But you can fit the civic engine?

[Nev]

You guys make it sound like swapping an engine (+ gearbox) manufacturer into your VX sound like baking a cake. It really is a lot harder with plenty of problems and is a major thing to do for a lot of reasons. I considered all this at the outset of my project and even with me sticking to the standard Vaux Z20LEx engine the project was very time consuming. I dread to think if I would have ever finished if I had swapped engine manufacturers.

[luke.]

It'd end up like my car Nev Be worth it in the end so i guess its worth the wait.

[fezzasus]

You're all missing the point that a 430 bhp Atom will always be quicker, so why bother chasing power with your car?

[Korkey]

Yes but an Atom is not a VX is it?
I could easily afford to go out today and buy an Atom if I so wanted too.

So it is you who are missing as you say..........."the point."
We all own the Vauxhall VX.

Korkey.