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[VXT Tim]

You like labouring engines?

[ghand]

I must be in the minority then as when just tootling about it just feels like a normal car until your on wot and then the car comes alive

  You want to try tootling in the NA then. Try your stage 4 at just over 30mph in 5th   Honestly the NA is much smoother and flexible and nicer at slower speeds by a good way, its low down torque and the gearing just makes it better end of. If your just rolling in second in the NA it just pulls smoothly away fast, the stage fours says your having a laugh get me back on the track the NA is much more responsive low down. Have you driven one round town ? if not you should, you may want one      

I have to disagree with you about the NA is more responsive low down. I have driven a few NA's around town and I can honestly say the stage 4 turbo is much more responsive in any gear.

Well it must be set up totally different to mine. I jump from one to the other every day and the NA is far better at low speed than my stage 4 . I would always jump into my NA for just local stuff. Just sat at the lights it's better as it has a balancer shaft, a proper fly wheel and proper cams so vibration free. Like I mentioned I can potter in the traffic at slightly over 30 all day in 5th but in the stage 4 its 3rd Maybe some are set up different, if that's the case mine needs altering to be more NA like low down. I would be interested in some views on this, can you potter along slowly in a high gear, can you instantly pull off sharpish when only just moving? And is is very smooth at very low speed and at idle?

[ghand]

Why would you drive any car in 5th gear at 30mph!?!

Well at not much over that say 35 ish just rolling along in heavy traffic my NA is happy to do it. Obviously it's not how you would drive it if wanting to shoot off and you would not boot it and load the engine but easing along it will do it fine and its very happy at 40 ish no problem to potter along. Just making the point it's much more flexible than my stage 4.

[ghand]

You like labouring engines?

No, it's a horrible feeling

[ghand]

 

 

I must be in the minority then as when just tootling about it just feels like a normal car until your on wot and then the car comes alive

  You want to try tootling in the NA then. Try your stage 4 at just over 30mph in 5th   Honestly the NA is much smoother and flexible and nicer at slower speeds by a good way, its low down torque and the gearing just makes it better end of. If your just rolling in second in the NA it just pulls smoothly away fast, the stage fours says your having a laugh get me back on the track the NA is much more responsive low down. Have you driven one round town ? if not you should, you may want one      

I have to disagree with you about the NA is more responsive low down. I have driven a few NA's around town and I can honestly say the stage 4 turbo is much more responsive in any gear.  

  I think Gordon is just trying to re-light his fire for his N/A now that the VXR (300Bhp) is now top dog.   

I will drop it off at your house for a few week Mark. Then you will have to agree with me, see what you are missing

[deano01]

When are you buying a stage two supercharged car Gordon?

Would like to hear your honest opinion on that one and compare all three. What else do you have to do now your retired?  

 

[ghand]

When are you buying a stage two supercharged car Gordon? Would like to hear your honest opinion on that one and compare all three. What else do you have to do now your retired?    

Mmmmmm.

[Bumblebee]

I'm not getting into a debate as to which is better as betters down to each individual as they all have there pro's and cons all I'm saying is you can tootle around in a stage 4 and drive it just like a normal car if you want to

That'll be a first!

A debate? Not at all as I previously said they both have there pro's and cons I only ever give my honest thoughts

Edited by Bumblebee, 13 October 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[Rickwoo118]

I must be in the minority then as when just tootling about it just feels like a normal car until your on wot and then the car comes alive

  You want to try tootling in the NA then. Try your stage 4 at just over 30mph in 5th   Honestly the NA is much smoother and flexible and nicer at slower speeds by a good way, its low down torque and the gearing just makes it better end of. If your just rolling in second in the NA it just pulls smoothly away fast, the stage fours says your having a laugh get me back on the track the NA is much more responsive low down. Have you driven one round town ? if not you should, you may want one      

I have to disagree with you about the NA is more responsive low down. I have driven a few NA's around town and I can honestly say the stage 4 turbo is much more responsive in any gear.

Well it must be set up totally different to mine. I jump from one to the other every day and the NA is far better at low speed than my stage 4 . I would always jump into my NA for just local stuff. Just sat at the lights it's better as it has a balancer shaft, a proper fly wheel and proper cams so vibration free. Like I mentioned I can potter in the traffic at slightly over 30 all day in 5th but in the stage 4 its 3rd Maybe some are set up different, if that's the case mine needs altering to be more NA like low down. I would be interested in some views on this, can you potter along slowly in a high gear, can you instantly pull off sharpish when only just moving? And is is very smooth at very low speed and at idle?

I My stage 4 is honestly very smooth at very low speed. I have low down torque with mine and I can potter all day in 5th which is very smooth and vibration free. However if I was pottering at 35 mpg in 5th and wanted instant accelaration I would either put it in 2nd or 3rd gear. Obviously all cars are different like you said but granted you are in the best place to judge both your NA and stage 4 as you have both.

[ghand]

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I must be in the minority then as when just tootling about it just feels like a normal car until your on wot and then the car comes alive [/quote] 
You want to try tootling in the NA then. Try your stage 4 at just over 30mph in 5th   Honestly the NA is much smoother and flexible and nicer at slower speeds by a good way, its low down torque and the gearing just makes it better end of.
If your just rolling in second in the NA it just pulls smoothly away fast, the stage fours says your having a laugh get me back on the track the NA is much more responsive low down. Have you driven one round town ? if not you should, you may want one    
 [/quote]I have to disagree with you about the NA is more responsive low down. I have driven a few NA's around town and I can honestly say the stage 4 turbo is much more responsive in any gear.[/quote]Well it must be set up totally different to mine. I jump from one to the other every day and the NA is far better at low speed than my stage 4 . I would always jump into my NA for just local stuff. Just sat at the lights it's better as it has a balancer shaft, a proper fly wheel and proper cams so vibration free. Like I mentioned I can potter in the traffic at slightly over 30 all day in 5th but in the stage 4 its 3rd

Maybe some are set up different, if that's the case mine needs altering to be more NA like low down. I would be interested in some views on this, can you potter along slowly in a high gear, can you instantly pull off sharpish when only just moving? And is is very smooth at very low speed and at idle?[/quote]I

My stage 4 is honestly very smooth at very low speed. I have low down torque with mine and I can potter all day in 5th which is very smooth and vibration free. However if I was pottering at 35 mpg in 5th and wanted instant accelaration I would either put it in 2nd or 3rd gear. Obviously all cars are different like you said but granted you are in the best place to judge both your NA and stage 4 as you have both.[/quote

See that's what I would much prefer, low down torque, no way in a million years could you potter along in traffic at 35/40 ish in mine it has 350 lbs of the stuff but none low down, so I presume that's a map thing is it, or will it be due to cams ? who mapped yours? Do you have standard fly wheel, balancer shafts ?

[Rickwoo118]

Yes I have a lightened flywheel but have kept balancer shafts. CS mapped mine.

[Bumblebee]

Who's mapped your car ghand?

[Rickwoo118]

Here's my graph.

[ghand]

Who's mapped your car ghand?

Courtenay

[ghand]

Here's my graph.

Yes that will do it, you have about 50/60 lbs more torque at 2.5 rpm mine peaks slightly higher but yours looks smoother / flatter. You also have more power earlier than mine. At that 2.5 rpm I only have 110 bhp to your 150 ish
I would gladly swap the extra 30 lbs torque mine peaks at to have it come in lower



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Edited by ghand, 13 October 2013 - 05:59 PM.

[Rickwoo118]

Strange how we get it mapped at the same place.....probably the same mods and the graphs come out so different.

[ghand]

Strange how we get it mapped at the same place.....probably the same mods and the graphs come out so different.

Think this was done a while back maybe they have changed slightly since, I do love the car don't get me wrong but it would be suit my driving with more low down grunt like yours I don't rag it to death all the time so it's just more relaxing to drive with more flexibility, the NA would take some beating though for day to day stuff. So at the moment with both its all good, but I suppose a bit extravagant and I will end up selling.

[leevx2.2]

Get it charged 250-260 hp then think about more power ,Saab engine at the same time or buy Techie's engine stage 3 =300bhp And later harrop it 350-380. Costs £3300 stage 2 + Techies engine job done ;-)

[ghand]

Get it charged 250-260 hp then think about more power ,Saab engine at the same time or buy Techie's engine stage 3 =300bhp And later harrop it 350-380. Costs £3300 stage 2 + Techies engine job done ;-)

Stop it !!! I have thought of SC the NA then seeing which I prefer. Can't see me loosing much cash wise.

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

 

Get it charged 250-260 hp then think about more power ,Saab engine at the same time or buy Techie's engine stage 3 =300bhp And later harrop it 350-380. Costs £3300 stage 2 + Techies engine job done ;-)

Stop it !!! I have thought of SC the NA then seeing which I prefer. Can't see me loosing much cash wise.

 

 

new saab engine gordon