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#1 CHILL Gone DUTCH

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:01 AM

Just thought I would ask what everybody's plans were with these engines 1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software M62 charger ported head. Hoping for 300+

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:43 AM

Not sure how realistic my aims are, as haven't really done any proper research, but my plan is

 

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software M62 charger ported head. Hoping for 300+

 

2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, chenge of flywheel (Vectra V6?) which may as well be lightened and balancer delete, plus whatever else Vock recommends (within reason) using M62 and dutch software (or standalone) and I'll be happy with 280-300bhp.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:47 AM

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software M62 charger ported head. Hoping for 300+

 

2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, chenge of flywheel (Vectra V6?) which may as well be lightened and balancer delete, plus whatever else Vock recommends (within reason) using M62 and dutch software (or standalone) and I'll be happy with 280-300bhp

 

3. Westkenbrit. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop. 350+

But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all :D


Edited by Westkenbrit, 17 October 2013 - 08:51 AM.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:50 AM

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software M62 charger ported head. Hoping for 300+ 2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, chenge of flywheel (Vectra V6?) which may as well be lightened and balancer delete, plus whatever else Vock recommends (within reason) using M62 and dutch software (or standalone) and I'll be happy with 280-300bhp 3. Westkenbrit. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+ But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all 4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:57 AM

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software M62 charger ported head. Hoping for 300+ 2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, chenge of flywheel (Vectra V6?) which may as well be lightened and balancer delete, plus whatever else Vock recommends (within reason) using M62 and dutch software (or standalone) and I'll be happy with 280-300bhp 3. Westkenbrit. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+ But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all 4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.

 

5. Tony. Ornament. Going to collect all the adaptations and that while I decide what to do.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:16 AM

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software M62 charger ported head. Hoping for 300+ 2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, chenge of flywheel (Vectra V6?) which may as well be lightened and balancer delete, plus whatever else Vock recommends (within reason) using M62 and dutch software (or standalone) and I'll be happy with 280-300bhp 3. Westkenbrit. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+ But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all 4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.

 

5. Tony. Ornament. Going to collect all the adaptations and that while I decide what to do.

 

6. Smiley. 2.0 with head exhaust part ported, zzp or comps cams, lightened flywheel, external crank, water injection, harrop and obdtuner.

 

 

 


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 01:51 PM

1. Chill. 2.2 crank, forged pistons and rods stage 2 LSJ cams,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, home build with vocky input on Dutch ECU software M62 charger ported head. Hoping for 300+ 2. Graeme. 2.0 Saab B207 with standard pistons and crank, Comp cams, chenge of flywheel (Vectra V6?) which may as well be lightened and balancer delete, plus whatever else Vock recommends (within reason) using M62 and dutch software (or standalone) and I'll be happy with 280-300bhp 3. Westkenbrit. Vocky fettled B207 (ported etc..), 2.2 crank, forged internals, siemens injectors, stage 2 cams (unless advised otherwise by Vocky) uprated clutch, dutch software, harrop, Pro alloy chargecooler, and baffled fuel tank, uprated fuel pump. 350+ But Neil and Joe would know better as they are doing it all 4. Chris. Leave it sat in my back garden until i can be bothered to pull it to bits.   5. Tony. Ornament. Going to collect all the adaptations and that while I decide what to do.   6. Smiley. 2.0 with head exhaust part ported, zzp or comps cams, lightened flywheel, external crank, water injection, harrop and obdtuner.     7. ufods B207r with standard internals,lightened flywheel and balancer delete, extrrnal trigger, Sachs clutch, 3" full Tullet, Siemens 630 injektors, Dutch ECU software Harrop charger Reaching 330 PS without water injektion Still searching for cams

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:33 PM

Everyone is going to be running 350bhp soon. What's the next stage, might have to get my liners done lol

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:46 PM

Design a better intake first ;)

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:48 PM

Design a better intake first ;)

 

 

Was just thinkin that :P   Is there still nothing better than the shan-a-novas?!?!?



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

 

 

Was just thinkin that :P   Is there still nothing better than the shan-a-novas?!?!?

 

 

Not really. Staying away from silly pully´s and using water/meth injection seems to be the advice for now.

A decent manifold redesign would be welcomed, but even the more larger US community has not come up with anything decent in over 6 years. 



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:46 AM

Unfortunately they don't have British technology or innovation.... The US has been (and is still) using 6L engines giving out 250bhp so the likely hood of them coming up with a decent manifold is slim to none.  COME ON BLIGHTY!!



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 10:05 AM

 The US has been (and is still) using 6L engines giving out 250bhp so the likely hood of them coming up with a decent manifold is slim to none. 

 

Poor example, thats nothing to do with their capability to design or build a higher specific capacity engine though.. ;) Check the torque on said 6L engine..



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 10:44 AM

It is to do with impetus though.  They can't be arsed to develop what could be an absolutely epic engine (think Merc 6.2) and having worked out there and seen their work ethic etc their mentality IMO is very much "It works so why bother changing it"   Better is not their MO



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:01 AM

It is to do with impetus though.  They can't be arsed to develop what could be an absolutely epic engine (think Merc 6.2) and having worked out there and seen their work ethic etc their mentality IMO is very much "It works so why bother changing it"   Better is not their MO

 

If you say so... :) I have also worked in / with America/ns and thats not the impression I have got. Perhaps a different industry.

 

Again, I don't think looking at V8 engines is not a great comparision, as its all about consumer demand for certain products, and cost. Go price up a AMG 6.2 V8 against a GM LS7.. Its probably 1/3 the cost but pretty much does the same thing, albeit in a very different way. The Amercian attitude is probably more commercially driven yes, hence why change something substantially for the sake of it..

 

Anyway, off topic..


Edited by Rosssco, 18 October 2013 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 02:18 PM

Is the Saab engine so much better? Can you not pull the same power out of the existing 2.2 plants??

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 02:36 PM

Is the Saab engine so much better? Can you not pull the same power out of the existing 2.2 plants??

A little better, but in short they are brand new engines, chains etc

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 04:23 PM

How do we go about redesigning a new inlet? I don't mind getting the ball rolling but wouldn't know where to start .

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 04:43 PM

How do we go about redesigning a new inlet? I don't mind getting the ball rolling but wouldn't know where to start .

I was thinking about a thin radiator across the inlet manifold between the charger and manifold with cold water from CC rad before it goes in the laminova s

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:45 PM

The problem is the restriction in the inlet as there is way more air being forced through than the inlet was designed for. What is required more laminovers. Currently 3 I think but 4-5 would be much better.





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