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[VXT Tim]

But win or lose this case I can't see the logic in fighting it, as ultimately they will lose. If they do lose the case, as Lee suggests, the FIA will/could impose further sanction. If they win then is there not even more potential of future sanctions (that they would perhaps before be 'allowed time' to make alterations on) being immediate and more 'by the book' Either way they will be pissing off the FIA. (My lowly and uneducated pov)

Edited by VXT Tim, 14 April 2014 - 02:02 PM.

[fezzasus]

They're trying to re-roll the dice.

 

Currently implementation of the rules doesn't work for them. The Renault engine is poorly integrated with the ERS, allowing more fuel or a different measure of fuel use will play into the hands of the Renault and Ferrari teams as the Mercedes fuel economy advantage will be eroded.

[VXT Tim]

IF they win, the FIA will effectively be admitting they are wrong.

 

Surely this can't happen!?!?!?

[techieboy]

That's the argument RB's lawyers are using against the penalty standing. The hearing proper is about the penalty they received for breaking two rules in the sporting regs and the technical regs by exceeding permitted fuel flow rate as measured and not seeking or being given permission to change the monitoring methodology. That second breach is absolute, whether the sensor was reporting the correct or incorrect flow rates.

 

You're right though, a precedent was set about whether something was an opinion or not and Mercedes suffered a punishment as a result, despite having fuzzy permission to proceed. RB didn't even have the fuzziest of fuzzy permission to do what they did and any penalty should and will hopefully stand.

[CocoPops]

And also, this is as much about ignoring FIA guidance during the race is it not as it is about breaching rules? -Edit- What Matt said

[CocoPops]

 

Following the lengthy hearing, the International Court of Appeal is now expected to publish its verdict on Tuesday.

 

Booooo!!

 

They were originally saying verdict was this afternoon

[techieboy]

Lawyers. They're on an hourly rate and rarely work after 3pm.

[techieboy]

Not sure I really like the other teams being involved and trying to influence the outcome of these tribunals.

 

But fcuk it, what goes around, comes around. Payback for Horner's bleating at the Testgate hearing against Mercedes.

[CocoPops]

So, verdict day...

 

which way are we thinking it will go...

[Rabiatarik]

So, verdict day...

 

which way are we thinking it will go...

 

Nill Point - RB!

[fezzasus]

For the sake of opeing up the possibility of a strategy delta rather than just a manufacturer delta, i'd like them to win, however i'm sure most people with the exception of Bob want to see Red Bull struggle.

 

(this has got nothing to do with the approach Red Bull has taken or the focus of this case, it's purely from a sport point of view)

[fezzasus]

update: Rejected.

[techieboy]

Hah!

[fezzasus]

More as it comes/gets written. http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/27009862

[CocoPops]

How long before the "We're gonna quit if you don't play nicely" comes from Matershits again?

[fezzasus]

How long before the "We're gonna quit if you don't play nicely" comes from Matershits again?

 

But they won't, and everyone can see that. I think Todt can see that.

 

It would also leave a pretty tasty looking team for potential owners. Honda coming back fully? What about rumors that VW would come in? 

[CocoPops]

No, we know they won't but it won't stop him bleating again will it.

[techieboy]

Nah, it all be a conciliatory "we're disappointed but look forward to working with the FiA to understand the issues" or some such rubbish.

[VXT Tim]

There was no other possible outcome to that.

 

 

So, have they gained anything, any differentiation of how they should be measuring fuel? 

 

Further sanctions?

Frosty relationship with FIA.

 

Was a lose lose situation for them.

Edited by VXT Tim, 15 April 2014 - 09:34 AM.

[VXT Tim]

Not far off Matt http://www.infiniti-...tatement-appeal