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[Matthew Bentley Racing Ltd]

Time for someone to say.........................only one way to find out......................

 

 

[CocoPops]

One way to find out...

   

Time for someone to say.........................only one way to find out......................

Beat ya

[chris_uk]

Im not interested in entering the ta..or bothered about proving who is faster either. I was just using myself as an example to point out i dont think scuffs would be able to win club in a 200ish vx as easy as he made out.

[siztenboots]

as a one off lap , i think its not favourable to a low torque , small bhp setup , different over 20 laps

 

/lobs another, pulls the pin this time

[Matthew Bentley Racing Ltd]

Well if the rough numbers are a basis:

 

150bhp Elise  - 1.56.6

Time attack best - Chris Bennett Impreza - 1.53.1

270bhp Lotus 2-11 - 1.49.3

 

Somewhere in the middle of 150bhp and 270bhp should be right. However Scuffers should be quicker in the same 2-11 as that was an amateur driver.

 

All need to be rough numbers give or take a second as times will be different day to day. 

[Scuffers]

 

Was interested in times so had a look on TSL. Only circuit layout that is the same is Cadwell. Both 2013 race/final times.     A basic 150bhp Lotus Elise Trophy car on Avon ZZR's did a 1.39.153 with an non-pro driver. The fastest club class time attack car was Phil Reed in an 800bhp Evo he did a 1.35.060. Darron did a 1.47.863.   So I guess that maby with 200bhp, a wing and splitter you could win with a good driver.  

Interesting. At blyton park (with a 13st passenger) my pb was a 1'11.5ish, with a theoretical 1'10.8. I really dont think i am all that good a driver either but id be hard pressed to think that scuffs could beat me in a 200bhp vx. If we was to enter the ta in the same class, me in mine and scuffs in a 200ish bhp vx i couldnt see him beating me. No doubt he is a better driver but i cant see his extra skill being enough to actually overcome the power difference of mine. If we ask that theoretical question .. would scuffs in a 200ish bhp vx be able to beat randall in his europa chances are the answers would be no. Agree ? Randall in his europa did a 1'10.5 @ blyton.

 

pick a cct I have seen/been to!

[siztenboots]

cars built different regs , so different compromises

[Mike (Cliffie)]

 

 

Was interested in times so had a look on TSL. Only circuit layout that is the same is Cadwell. Both 2013 race/final times.     A basic 150bhp Lotus Elise Trophy car on Avon ZZR's did a 1.39.153 with an non-pro driver. The fastest club class time attack car was Phil Reed in an 800bhp Evo he did a 1.35.060. Darron did a 1.47.863.   So I guess that maby with 200bhp, a wing and splitter you could win with a good driver.  

Interesting. At blyton park (with a 13st passenger) my pb was a 1'11.5ish, with a theoretical 1'10.8. I really dont think i am all that good a driver either but id be hard pressed to think that scuffs could beat me in a 200bhp vx. If we was to enter the ta in the same class, me in mine and scuffs in a 200ish bhp vx i couldnt see him beating me. No doubt he is a better driver but i cant see his extra skill being enough to actually overcome the power difference of mine. If we ask that theoretical question .. would scuffs in a 200ish bhp vx be able to beat randall in his europa chances are the answers would be no. Agree ? Randall in his europa did a 1'10.5 @ blyton.

 

pick a cct I have seen/been to!

 

Croft. Chris, do you have data? Simon, you were here last year and this year so must have some data?

 

Oh, can I please be the pit bitch when this happens?

Edited by Mike (Cliffie), 22 July 2014 - 02:00 PM.

[Scuffers]

 

Well if the rough numbers are a basis:

 

150bhp Elise  - 1.56.6

Time attack best - Chris Bennett Impreza - 1.53.1

270bhp Lotus 2-11 - 1.49.3

 

Somewhere in the middle of 150bhp and 270bhp should be right. However Scuffers should be quicker in the same 2-11 as that was an amateur driver.

 

All need to be rough numbers give or take a second as times will be different day to day. 

 

if we are talking Oulton, then looking back to 2001 (yes, that long ago!) I was doing 1:54.137 with an S1 Elise with 177Hp (flywheel) on A032R tyres

 

Last time there was with jamie's car doing a 1:40.8

[Matthew Bentley Racing Ltd]

as a one off lap , i think its not favourable to a low torque , small bhp setup , different over 20 laps

 

/lobs another, pulls the pin this time

 

 

Like for like car I agree. But in TA with 800+hp cars its doesn't help against the Lotus/VX chassis.

[chris_uk]

I only have stopwatch data. 1.36.7 was what timed at but that doesnt mean anything compared to vbox data.. That was with a pax in aswell.

[Scuffers]

Croft. Chris, do you have data? Simon, you were here last year and this year so must have some data?

 

 

Oh, can I please be the pit bitch when this happens?

 

not got much actual data from croft other than from TA and the vids from the Nationals..

 

my guess is that if you gave me your car, I would expect to be doing 1:27's possible better

with Jamie's, I did a 1:23 before it broke 

with Geary's NA could do 1:39's (and probably better without (fat) passenger and driving properly)

 

edit - typo's!

Edited by Scuffers, 22 July 2014 - 02:19 PM.

[The Batman]

Pfffttt would beat all those times in my baja bug If the car thinks in going too slow it sheds weight for me

Edited by The Batman, 22 July 2014 - 02:27 PM.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Next time you are here you are welcome to take mine out Simon.

 

What data do you have from Croft TA? I have no results at all.

[Matthew Bentley Racing Ltd]

Next time you are here you are welcome to take mine out Simon.

 

What data do you have from Croft TA? I have no results at all.

 

Strange TSL has no data from Croft. Has all the other rounds.

[Scuffers]

Next time you are here you are welcome to take mine out Simon.

 

What data do you have from Croft TA? I have no results at all.

Love to at some point (when you don't break it!   )

 

all I have is the AIM data from Jamie's car and the TA timesheets (SMART?)

 

you did a 1:30.294 (Qually) and a 1:30.463 in the final 

 

 

Darron did a 1:38.293 (Qually) 1:37.087 final

[Scuffers]

 

Next time you are here you are welcome to take mine out Simon.

 

What data do you have from Croft TA? I have no results at all.

 

Strange TSL has no data from Croft. Has all the other rounds.

 

SMART did the timing

 

http://www.smart-tim...th-12th May.pdf

[Sticky]

My car has 205bhp, a wing and a splitter - fits the criteria?

[G-Bob]

My car has 205bhp, a wing and a splitter - fits the criteria?

 

....and ITBs 

[Claws]

Stage FA NA, book your OHW, pray for rain, keep it pinned everywhere, win.