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#1 smiley

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:25 PM

This relay seems to be out of production.

Speedster/VX220 number A116M0032, and lotus number B116M0032F

(elise-shop says it's in backlog at lotus)

 

Has anybody ever peeled off that red sticker to see if there is a parts number under it?

Red sticker says it's from MetaSystem, but my gutt feeling says it's generic.

Anybody ever took it apart to find parts numbers?

 

 


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#2 LY_Scott

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:31 PM

Got to be a vauxhall bit surely? Used be in the footwell in normal vauxhalls/opels next to the ECU when I were a lad. Can't imagine any reason it'd be entirely different.



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:33 PM

what is the relays logic table?



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:35 PM

I am however talking about the fuel pump relay in the boot. The yellow one.



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:39 PM

what is the relays logic table?

 

What do you mean by that?

The numbers on the pins?

 



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:43 PM

I am however talking about the fuel pump relay in the boot. The yellow one.

 

K18 brown , ecu

K24 yellow , starter motor  ( think its a typo on "K14" on the guide )

K16 grey , fuel pump

turbo has another 4th relay

 

all 3 grey bosch , apart from the Lotus special yellow one



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:52 PM

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:08 PM

just looking at the wiring diagram, there was a typo on the forum that labelled the yellow relay as K14 , wiring diagram says its K24.

 

pin 5 and 3 are switched by relay

 

pin 5 , BN , "205" FL4 40A

pin 3 , BNRD , Z20LET [ X4 BNRD , X34 BNRD , pin 50 M1 ]  or Z22SE [ X1 BNRD , pin 50 M1 ]

 

pin 4 , GN , "141" FB7 10A

pin 2 , BK , Ground

pin 6 , WHRD , pin 1 S124 , pin 2 S124 , BK Ground ]

pin 9 , WHBK , Ignition switch barrel via Z20LET [  pin 20 ECU X31 ] or Z22SE [ pin 9 ECU X21 ]

 

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:14 PM

I am however talking about the fuel pump relay in the boot. The yellow one.

 

Fuel pump relay is the brown one.

 

But, I wish the yellow one was the same height as a normal relay. Would make life much easier to re-site them in a new waterproof relay holder.



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:22 PM

My bad, it's been a while. Surely the engine electrics are GM gear though?



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:30 PM

Nah, this is definitely not a standard GM thing. Much more likely (especially given it's a Meta) to be part of an aftermarket alarm/immobiliser setup.



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:30 PM

That's the point. (@LY_scott)

It's so custom, that our version has metasystem labeling, and the lotus one has lotus labeling.

Key to find out here if it's just rebadging/stickering, or real custom work.

 

 


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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:55 PM

Nothing hidden behind the label on my spare:

 

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 03:21 PM

Thanks Techie.

Are you brave enough to remove the yellow container and peek inside?

 



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 03:58 PM

its pin 9 on the relay base which is the mystery one, but could easily be bypassed



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 04:02 PM

I rewired mine and use a grey relay instead, all the yellow relay does is stop the 'starter' button from working once the engine is running thumbsup

 

But you do need to remember not to push the button when the engine is running :P



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 04:05 PM

Thanks Techie.

Are you brave enough to remove the yellow container and peek inside?

 

 

Tried. Bent terminal later. Not trying further. :beat:



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 04:27 PM

I rewired mine and use a grey relay instead, all the yellow relay does is stop the 'starter' button from working once the engine is running thumbsup

 

But you do need to remember not to push the button when the engine is running :P

 

But the grey relay can be swapped as is, for an emergency to get back home? (without any rewiring?)



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 09:19 PM

speedster4fun kindly took 1 apart.

 

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Posted 17 May 2016 - 09:26 PM

That definitely doesn't look like a normal relay. :unsure:






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