Jump to content


Photo

Seat Lowering Solved!...well Kinda


  • Please log in to reply
33 replies to this topic

#1 mrkrapez

mrkrapez

    Member

  • Pip
  • 50 posts
  • Location:Southam

Posted 24 August 2016 - 03:51 PM

So a solution, that will get better from where I have it now, it is quick and easy, does not give you much, maybe 10-15mm but is noticeable, particularly if you need that space for a lid!

 

1. Take seat out.

2. Remove joggle type solid insert from the front of the runners.

3. Flip the joggle so it is upside down from the way it is originally installed, and insert into the rear of the runner.

4. Make sure that you also flip the runner hex bolts from front to rear as well otherwise the seat will not slide

5. Refit seat

 

I reckon I now have just 5mm between my seat and the floor, maybe less, my plan is to machine 5mm off the joggle (it appears massively over engineered) and then re-install the seat and add a mm shim as required until the seat slides, thus the seat could not go any lower than I will have set it.

 

I hope this helps some people out there, I understand if you do not want to do the milling bit, I am going to run some FEA on the joggle before I do it.

 

The only way to get it lower would be to get a different seat design like a B5 or something like that.  But that is less padding...

 

All the best

 

Tim



#2 Paulus H

Paulus H

    Evil Triumphs When Good Men Do Nothing

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,065 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:DE65 5NX
  • Interests:I really appreciate my car. I have piled on 100,000 miles in 8 years of ownership. I still love every day I get in it

Posted 24 August 2016 - 05:37 PM

I went mad and chopped the bottom out of mine bonded in a flat bottom and mounted the seat as absolutely as low as it would go. I now have a Reverie drivers seat that works for me so much better than the Tillet I tried for a short while. Paul

 

 

Posted Image


Edited by Paulus H, 24 August 2016 - 05:38 PM.


#3 mrkrapez

mrkrapez

    Member

  • Pip
  • 50 posts
  • Location:Southam

Posted 24 August 2016 - 05:41 PM

I still need to use the runners, wife is a full ft shorter than me. I think once I get the 5mm more I will be good enough

#4 Paulus H

Paulus H

    Evil Triumphs When Good Men Do Nothing

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,065 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:DE65 5NX
  • Interests:I really appreciate my car. I have piled on 100,000 miles in 8 years of ownership. I still love every day I get in it

Posted 24 August 2016 - 07:31 PM

Ah I understand.

 

Paulie



#5 D-DAWG83

D-DAWG83

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,277 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Milton Keynes
  • Interests:Cars, motorsport, music and films

Posted 25 August 2016 - 04:19 AM

Any photo's of the area at all and what you are talking about at all? A picture speaks a thousands words. Lol

#6 mrkrapez

mrkrapez

    Member

  • Pip
  • 50 posts
  • Location:Southam

Posted 25 August 2016 - 07:05 AM

I am getting the, joggles machined shortly, so will have to remove the seat again, I will take some pictures then.



#7 p4cks

p4cks

    Newbie abuser

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,433 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Newcastle-ish

Posted 25 August 2016 - 12:15 PM

Is joggle a made up word?



#8 mrkrapez

mrkrapez

    Member

  • Pip
  • 50 posts
  • Location:Southam

Posted 25 August 2016 - 03:09 PM

Hi p4acks, nope afraid not, is a metalworking term, go look it up.  Technically is in sheet metal, but the shape is similar, hence I called it Joggle type.



#9 p4cks

p4cks

    Newbie abuser

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,433 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Newcastle-ish

Posted 25 August 2016 - 04:55 PM

I sit corrected. As do you ;)

#10 Bargi

Bargi

    Scary Internerd

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,485 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 25 August 2016 - 06:35 PM

I sit corrected. As do you ;)

:D

#11 Aerodynamic

Aerodynamic

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,537 posts

Posted 26 August 2016 - 06:21 PM

Do you have some pictures you can show what you are doing? No.3 "and insert to the rear" does that mean welding? Br, Per

So a solution, that will get better from where I have it now, it is quick and easy, does not give you much, maybe 10-15mm but is noticeable, particularly if you need that space for a lid!   1. Take seat out. 2. Remove joggle type solid insert from the front of the runners. 3. Flip the joggle so it is upside down from the way it is originally installed, and insert into the rear of the runner. 4. Make sure that you also flip the runner hex bolts from front to rear as well otherwise the seat will not slide 5. Refit seat   I reckon I now have just 5mm between my seat and the floor, maybe less, my plan is to machine 5mm off the joggle (it appears massively over engineered) and then re-install the seat and add a mm shim as required until the seat slides, thus the seat could not go any lower than I will have set it.   I hope this helps some people out there, I understand if you do not want to do the milling bit, I am going to run some FEA on the joggle before I do it.   The only way to get it lower would be to get a different seat design like a B5 or something like that.  But that is less padding...   All the best   Tim



#12 mrkrapez

mrkrapez

    Member

  • Pip
  • 50 posts
  • Location:Southam

Posted 26 August 2016 - 07:08 PM

Hi Aerodynamic,

 

No it does not mean welding, if you remove the joggle from the frontof the runner you will see in the rear of the runner at there are 2 holes in the runner that fit the joggle, simple orientate the joggle so that you get more head room, and re-fix.

 

I will take some pics over the weekend

 

Tim

 



#13 Aerodynamic

Aerodynamic

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,537 posts

Posted 27 August 2016 - 04:31 PM

Hi Tim Pictures would be great. I dont know what a joggle is so pictures would be great. Br, Per

Hi Aerodynamic,   No it does not mean welding, if you remove the joggle from the frontof the runner you will see in the rear of the runner at there are 2 holes in the runner that fit the joggle, simple orientate the joggle so that you get more head room, and re-fix.   I will take some pics over the weekend   Tim  



#14 Aerodynamic

Aerodynamic

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,537 posts

Posted 28 August 2016 - 07:24 PM

Pics pics pics...... :-)

Edited by Aerodynamic, 28 August 2016 - 07:24 PM.


#15 Aerodynamic

Aerodynamic

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,537 posts

Posted 31 August 2016 - 03:56 PM

Is this the seat joggle?

Posted Image

 

Doing this well move thesear rail forward then?

 

Br, Per



#16 mrkrapez

mrkrapez

    Member

  • Pip
  • 50 posts
  • Location:Southam

Posted 31 August 2016 - 08:40 PM

Hello,

 

Yes it is the joggle, it does move the seat forward, however the runner still goes far enough back (If you look the seat runner oversails the rail in you pic, it does the same at the back).  I was looking to do it over the weekend but ended up changing all my brakes instead.  THe joggle needs small mods to allow for the seat to slide all the way back again, but it really does get nearly there.  Once I am sorted I will post the results with a full run of photos I promise.  Work has kicked in this week, so probably this weekend will be the time for me to sort this.

 

I am keen to sort this, like I said once completed there will be no way of getting the standard seat any lower using what is in essence the same runners and brackets we already have on the cars.

 

Sorry for being crap over the weekend.



#17 Aerodynamic

Aerodynamic

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,537 posts

Posted 01 September 2016 - 02:47 PM

I will do this mod tomorrow when my baby is sleeping. 😀

#18 D-DAWG83

D-DAWG83

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,277 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Milton Keynes
  • Interests:Cars, motorsport, music and films

Posted 01 September 2016 - 03:47 PM

So you basically remove a few mm of material at the front of the runner?

#19 Paulus H

Paulus H

    Evil Triumphs When Good Men Do Nothing

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,065 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:DE65 5NX
  • Interests:I really appreciate my car. I have piled on 100,000 miles in 8 years of ownership. I still love every day I get in it

Posted 02 September 2016 - 11:45 AM

Food for thought.... Might be able to adapt this for your needs...

 

Posted Image



#20 Aerodynamic

Aerodynamic

    Billy No Mates

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,537 posts

Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:07 PM

Did this mod today. Worked fine, it did maybe 5-7mm in height, not much but its something. The only thing I did was changing to 5mm longer screw at the joggle. I also felt like there was around 5mm room left under the seat.

So a solution, that will get better from where I have it now, it is quick and easy, does not give you much, maybe 10-15mm but is noticeable, particularly if you need that space for a lid!   1. Take seat out. 2. Remove joggle type solid insert from the front of the runners. 3. Flip the joggle so it is upside down from the way it is originally installed, and insert into the rear of the runner. 4. Make sure that you also flip the runner hex bolts from front to rear as well otherwise the seat will not slide 5. Refit seat   I reckon I now have just 5mm between my seat and the floor, maybe less, my plan is to machine 5mm off the joggle (it appears massively over engineered) and then re-install the seat and add a mm shim as required until the seat slides, thus the seat could not go any lower than I will have set it.   I hope this helps some people out there, I understand if you do not want to do the milling bit, I am going to run some FEA on the joggle before I do it.   The only way to get it lower would be to get a different seat design like a B5 or something like that.  But that is less padding...   All the best   Tim






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users