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[Jetpilot]

It also boils my p*ss that it always seems to be how much the UK needs the EU as if we are the only ones that will loose out!

[smiley]

The rest needs to yearly fork up the 6 billion that is now missed after brexit.
A referendum for a nexit would be popular.

Luckely they are banning referendums in holland.

[kitcar765]

great posts johhnyboy i agree totally.

big crunch is coming soon for the UK economy, a lot of BTL's going bust with the January 2019 tax bills land, will be a huge influx of forced sellers in the housing market, most are still unaware of the tax changes. 

not to mention the flood of money that has gone into cars on the tick, thats more or less a one time boost for the economy. 

companies are very much holding off investments, its all wait and see. 

I think a lot of car buyers if they are going to choose a mental car for a good chunk of money will probably go the finance route now, i have seen 18 year olds at work driving brand new Audi TT's, well until they need new tyres that is! 

[JG]

FTSE is above 7.5k again. Not all bad.

We'll talk ourselves into a downturn though. 

[PaulCP]

Well, that’s what usually happens JG, immensely aided by our so called press who have forgotten what investigative journalism is about whilst they strive to invent news

[JohnTurbo]

Cars on finance is a bit weird. Well leased cars even more. I get loans sometimes but at least the car is "yours".

I am on the board of directors of a UK company (just won the made in the UK export award) who export 92%.
I can tell you that Brexit is the least of our worrries. Of course that may prove to change. In the meantime the suppressed exchange rate has improved profit.

[C8RKH]

Some sense prevailing on these posts and pragmatism too.

Nissan threatened to pull out and got a sweetener. Everyones forgotten about it so they threaten again for another one.

BMW pulls out, well they can hand back their taxpayers funding then.

Three point plan for me:

1. Declare we are leaving deal or no deal with latter on WTO tariffs and full alignment with EU product standards- provides certainty.

2. Reinforce our citizen position that has been clearly stated already ( EU has not stated theirs) - those already here for 5 years get permanance, everyone else can stay and work up to permanence after 5 years and proof of ability to support. Those wanting to come can come if pass economic test - i.e. they can support themselves

3. Withdraw all military, police and transportation support and coordination (including ATC) unless full access and reciprocity from EU.

Job done.

[turbo2015]

i read somewhere in this post that Lotus are going up market, where does that leave the VX220 Lotus S1/S2,  i suppose these will hold value better, there isnt many cars in the market that compare cost vs good all rounder track/road performance car, and if there isnt any affordable new stock the old used ones may hold value better then ever.

 

I've just bought a kit car,  getting it remapped in coming weeks 400 bhp from 650kg, i miss the vx, it works as a everyday car when needed. I cant take the dam kit car out unless i check the weather, pain in the butt, but good fun, i will be returning sooner than i thought. both S1/VX are bloody hard to beat as good all rounders, they are essentially kit cars with more clothes on.  

[rabbidog]

great posts johhnyboy i agree totally.

big crunch is coming soon for the UK economy, a lot of BTL's going bust with the January 2019 tax bills land, will be a huge influx of forced sellers in the housing market, most are still unaware of the tax changes.

Where's the evidence of this?, having sold up my btls, I and many other property investors i know are well aware of the imminent tax changes. Some have sold up many will keep and offset tax increases with rent rises.

[C8RKH]

Some sense prevailing on these posts and pragmatism too.

Nissan threatened to pull out and got a sweetener. Everyones forgotten about it so they threaten again for another one.

BMW pulls out, well they can hand back their taxpayers funding then.

Three point plan for me:

1. Declare we are leaving deal or no deal with latter on WTO tariffs and full alignment with EU product standards- provides certainty. Open trade talks with everyone else

2. Reinforce our citizen position that has been clearly stated already ( EU has not stated theirs) - those already here for 5 years get permanance, everyone else can stay and work up to permanence after 5 years and proof of ability to support. Those wanting to come can come if pass economic test - i.e. they can support themselves

3. Withdraw all military, police and transportation support and coordination (including ATC) unless full access and reciprocity from EU.

Job done. No more time wasting. Get on with it.

[Bakazan]

Some sense prevailing on these posts and pragmatism too.

Nissan threatened to pull out and got a sweetener. Everyones forgotten about it so they threaten again for another one.

BMW pulls out, well they can hand back their taxpayers funding then.

Three point plan for me:

1. Declare we are leaving deal or no deal with latter on WTO tariffs and full alignment with EU product standards- provides certainty. Open trade talks with everyone else

2. Reinforce our citizen position that has been clearly stated already ( EU has not stated theirs) - those already here for 5 years get permanance, everyone else can stay and work up to permanence after 5 years and proof of ability to support. Those wanting to come can come if pass economic test - i.e. they can support themselves

3. Withdraw all military, police and transportation support and coordination (including ATC) unless full access and reciprocity from EU.

Job done. No more time wasting. Get on with it.

 

In your no deal scenario what is the plan for the Irish border?

[Madmitch]

Just to correct 2 above, the EU has long been clear that all those EU citizens who have lived in another EU state for 5 or more years will continue to enjoy all the same rights as citizens of the country in which they reside.  We now have 10 year 'Cartes de Sejour' which renew automatically, granted by the French Govt.  We have also been to two meetings this year hosted by the British Embassy in Paris and the French Govt jointly in which that has been restated without any ambiguity.  We have also received an email in which that is clearly stated.  

[C8RKH]

Do not believe all tge 27 remaining states have signed up to that. Do you know for certain.
Glad the French have. Nice people and country.

[Madmitch]

Certainly the meetings we went to were specifically to do with British expats in France but I have pasted below part of the email from the British Embassy and that makes it clear that their responses are based on the 'Withdrawal Agreement' between the UK and the EU.  The EU means all 27 states so I would imagine that all 27 have indeed signed up to that.

 

 

The agreement reached with the EU means that those living legally and permanently in France will be able to stay here and continue to work and access education and healthcare.

More specifically, if you have been legally and permanently living in France for five or more years at the end of the implementation period (i.e December 2020 - see below) then you will covered by this agreement – known as the Withdrawal Agreement. You will be entitled to the rights agreed by the EU and the UK. Unless you leave France for a period of more than five years, then you will be entitled to these rights indefinitely.

If you have been legally and permanently living in France for less than five years by the end of the implementation period, then you will be allowed to stay to make up these five years. During this time you will be covered by the rights outlined in the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

[Paulus H]

I'm sure many people had noble intentions at the time of the vote but going by my facebook feed there were a few people that voted for Brexit because they don't like Eastern European people it was that simple for a lot especially in working class areas like ours. 

 

Anyway the vote was narrowly won and we are beginning the process of paying for it. If us lefty remainer types are wrong in a year or two you guys can buy the drinks

 

The funny thing is anecdotally from around this area (rich in eastern European folk) an unprecedented amount of them are leaving the UK feeling that they can make a better living back in Poland/Germany. Which is the whole point of the EU. Improve the whole continent and migration would naturally fall back as countries like Poland are dragged up to come closer to the standards we enjoy. They sure didn't get everything right but I hope we come up with the almost inevitable half in half out arrangement but with enough for the flag wavers to be happy with. 

 

Well done for speaking what you have carefully considered. Like it mate, Paul

[phil.d]

I thought this was a thread about car values, prices are slipping because things are more expensive for whatever reason you chose to believe , that impacts most on people on average incomes with a small amount of disposable cash, the sort of people, like myself who buy VX's , rich people buy more expensive cars and poor people can't afford track cars anyway , also prices peeked which can only leave them one way to go, the good thing is new cars are boring unless you have over £30k to spend ( GT86 excluded ) so that should help prices settle and remain good once this period of what can only be described as inflated values on lots of second hand cars is over . I don't think you need to worry unless you've just paid a large amount for a car that isn't mint.

Edited by phil.d, 30 June 2018 - 08:29 AM.

[alanwetherall]

As a new member I must have joined the wrong forum, I thought this thread was about Why Are Prices Dipping This Year for a Vauxhall VX220

[LY_Scott]

[LY_Scott]

Welcome to the madhouse mate.