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[r1chard748]

All this talk of dodgy Ebay buys has prompted me to recall my VX purchase over 2 years ago.

It was the height of summer and I needed a car. A VX was the car of choice. I'd been to see lots of cars which had suffered from neglect, poor ownership or other abuse.

There was a VX n Ebay which was looking like it was going to sell for about £1K less than I would have paid for it and put a bid in at my maximum price - without seeing the car!!! Foolish but 2 years on I've no regrets. The car was exactly as described and has been a gem to own.

Why sell a 10 20 or 50K car on Ebay - why not.

As with any purchase, private or through the trade, you've got a chance of being messed around but that's true of any transaction.

Yeah ebay is good for buying and selling I suppose because you can change you mind for whatever reason and not have to worry about any legal recourse whereas in a real auction you might be in a bit of trouble.

[turboman]

He could take legal action, but he couldn't legaly force you to take delivey of the car, that is not enforsable in any way, he could get costs from you, but all he would really get are advertising costs from you, unless he has evidence that he has spent money on it at your request, but even then it would have cost him more to take you to court than he could ever win. Worst that will happen is that you will be kicked off ebay and have your paypal account locked, just re-register on ebay under a different name, I have three. Secondly, what would you hope the RAC inspector would find, they are crap in my opinion, they only ever appear to look at the things that you or I could look at anyway for £400, tell you what for £390 I'll go with you and look at the things you or I could look at. Where is this car based and whats the registration number anyway, one of us may know the car???

[jazzyjeff]

All this talk of dodgy Ebay buys has prompted me to recall my VX purchase over 2 years ago.

It was the height of summer and I needed a car. A VX was the car of choice. I'd been to see lots of cars which had suffered from neglect, poor ownership or other abuse.

There was a VX n Ebay which was looking like it was going to sell for about £1K less than I would have paid for it and put a bid in at my maximum price - without seeing the car!!! Foolish but 2 years on I've no regrets. The car was exactly as described and has been a gem to own.

Why sell a 10 20 or 50K car on Ebay - why not.

As with any purchase, private or through the trade, you've got a chance of being messed around but that's true of any transaction.

Yeah ebay is good for buying and selling I suppose because you can change you mind for whatever reason and not have to worry about any legal recourse whereas in a real auction you might be in a bit of trouble.

Sorry, but thats total rubbish.

You are entering into a legal contract and are bound by the normal conditions of trading. Anyone not prepared to take eBay trading seriously and willing to p*ss buyers and sellers about shouldn't use the service.

My father successfully sued two sellers who sold him rubbish on the site. I also successfully recovered my payment from Visa when some crook decided to pay silly buggers and make out the engine I bought from him had been 'lost in transit' then tried to sell me another for double the price!

JJ

He could take legal action, but he couldn't legaly force you to take delivey of the car, that is not enforsable in any way, he could get costs from you, but all he would really get are advertising costs from you, unless he has evidence that he has spent money on it at your request, but even then it would have cost him more to take you to court than he could ever win.

Worst that will happen is that you will be kicked off ebay and have your paypal account locked, just re-register on ebay under a different name, I have three.

Secondly, what would you hope the RAC inspector would find, they are crap in my opinion, they only ever appear to look at the things that you or I could look at anyway for £400, tell you what for £390 I'll go with you and look at the things you or I could look at.

Where is this car based and whats the registration number anyway, one of us may know the car???

TB I don't see any reason why (assuming of course that what is being sold has been accurately described) an eBay seller couldn't successfully (and rightly) sue for compensation of the full agreed bid amount, plus any legal costs.

The only reason this probably doesn't happen that much is because people can't be bothered with the hassle, not because they wouldn't eventually win.

May I ask why you have three separate eBay accounts?

JJ

Edited by jazzyjeff, 13 November 2006 - 11:18 AM.

[turboman]

I have legaly tried to enforce it, when someone has has signed a sales contract agreeing to sell me their car and our solicitors have basicly told us we wouldn't have a leg to stand on, so we just go for advertising costs, time, etc Having more than one Ebay acount is great, if I'm selling something I don't need to worry about a reserve, (no-one likes reserves) I just bid against the other bidders under different names, its great fun, you just have to be careful not to go too far.

[Ben Smith]

Having more than one Ebay acount is great, if I'm selling something I don't need to worry about a reserve, (no-one likes reserves) I just bid against the other bidders under different names, its great fun, you just have to be careful not to go too far.

It's attitudes like this that ruin eBay for the rest of the honest users (both buyer's and sellers). Shill bidding is also against eBay's own terms & conditions.

[turboman]

Having more than one Ebay acount is great, if I'm selling something I don't need to worry about a reserve, (no-one likes reserves) I just bid against the other bidders under different names, its great fun, you just have to be careful not to go too far.

It's attitudes like this that ruin eBay for the rest of the honest users (both buyer's and sellers). Shill bidding is also against eBay's own terms & conditions.

Maybe Ben, but why should I sell something of mine for less than I want to?? Its basic rules of an auction, have you ever been to a car auction, you don't really think all those people are real bidders or that door frame actually wants the car do you?

[Ben Smith]

Maybe Ben, but why should I sell something of mine for less than I want to?? Its basic rules of an auction, have you ever been to a car auction, you don't really think all those people are real bidders or that door frame actually wants the car do you?

No offence intended, but there are a couple of facilities on eBay to ensure you can sell items for at least a minimum price: set the starting bid at the lowest amount you're willing to accept or set a reserve price (which is not shown to the bidders). The other point to consider is that buyers on eBay are always after a bargain. If you really want to sell at a premium price other methods will probably get better results (autotrader etc).

'Real' car auctions are an entirely different matter and I really wouldn't chose to buy from one (YMMV).

[finmix220]

Hi All, I'm new to the VX220 world but am deffo going to buy one but am living in Ireland so will probably have to go to the uk.

Anyway Your all going to love this... Especially VX Bestie...

The Same VX Mentioned in this post that was up on ebay has now shown up in Dublin, Ireland
http://www.carzone.i...ar&carid=484084

Yer man is trying to sell it for 24K euro so thats basically about £16,000
I did a HPI check for the uk plates (we dont have anything like that here) and it came back as a Cat D insurance write off. Normally people wouldn't do that check but it still had the UK plates on it so I took note.

The thing is the guy in the Garage said nothing about it being crashed.
I was first shocked to learn that it was crashed and then to hear that it sold more then a year ago for £8700, I nearly fell of my chair when I saw this post! Even though you would have to pay 5K euro VRT (Vehicle Registration Tax) here that would still only come to £12,000...

So I am going to ring him back tomorrow. Any suggestions as to what I should say?
I am going to give him hell anyway that's for sure...

Apparently there are quite a few garages here that bring in write off's from the UK and sell them off here. he has quite a few UK reg cars so I recon that's his game.

did ya ever think it would end up here VX Bestie, faith and be gara!

Edited by finmix220, 28 June 2007 - 09:39 PM.

[jules_s]

So I am going to ring him back tomorrow. Any suggestions as to what I should say?

I wouldn't bother with the cost of a phone call TBH.

If did I think the words I would use would be moderated off this forum if i posted them on here

[ikarl]

I agree with Jules, I'd be a tad upset.........phone the guy call him a twat,hang up, look for a better car!

[Mak1]

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[Winstar]

Comments: Identical running gear/performance as Lotus Elise but thousands cheaper. Light weight body, mid-engined,136bhp, 0-60 in a little over 5 seconds. Comes with 17`` alloys, Airbag, Abs, Cd player, Remote Alarm, Full Black Leather bucket seats. Roof comes off in seconds and is stored in rear boot. This rare sportscar is located only 5mins from Blanchardstown on the N3(beside Statoil)

Just read the comments about the car the guy doesn't know his arse from his elbow, 5 min with a car mag could have come up with more accurate info than that.

[finmix220]

So I rang the guy, this time I got through to his boss... I came straight to the point and said it was a Cat D write off and that the sales guy mentioned nothing about this to me and my friend (we're both looking for VX's), he said he was aware that it was a Cat D but that it was repaired and was running fine. I asked if he had the repair cert / the engineers report and he asked who i wanted the cert from. The people that repaired the car to standard (obviously) I said He said that would be very difficult to get but if I wanted to get a check done on the car he would pay for it if I bought the car in the end. He told me he had taken the car as a trade in on a 911 and said that while it was a Crash Repair he drove it and was happy with it so essentially I should be too LOL anyway, I went on to say I had found information on the car on the UK members club website and that the car was sold a year ago for £8,700 and he said that he deffo paid way more for it then that, at that point (with much enjoyment) I told him he nad been robbed! however he did not like that much and began to get very ratty with me and accused me off not really calling with an interest in making a deal. Which is true i just wanted to have a go at him.. long story short he actually starting telling me that the original deal I was offered (before I knew the truth) was still a very good deal and i should be thankfull to get such a good price on my own car. I had to laugh, this guy's arrogance knows no bounds, although legally if you dont ask the right question then he is not in the wrong for not telling you. I feel sorry for the poor sod that will buy it unwittingly but I aint going to do anything about it now but I wonder if you did a check on all the UK Reg Cars in his garrage how many would show up as Insurance Write Offs? Finally, someone told me when a car is properly repaired on the UK, after a insurance write off, that it gets a new Reg Plate of Q****etc... so that any plate with a Q at the start is a Crash Repair. Does anyone know if this is true? also here is the reg so anyone can find it in future even if they put it in wrong reg... GP51AOJ GP5iAOJ GP51A0J GP5iA0J GP5lAOJ

[jazzyjeff]

Finally, someone told me when a car is properly repaired on the UK, after a insurance write off, that it gets a new Reg Plate of Q****etc... so that any plate with a Q at the start is a Crash Repair. Does anyone know if this is true?

Sorry, but that was someone else again talking out of there arse at you!

AFAIK "Q" plates are issued only when a car does not meet required type approval requirements. In order to be issued with a standard reg. number, a vehicle must possess a minimum element of the original type approved parts from bodywork, chassis, engine etc. If not, it may require SVA testing. Therefore you'll find most 'Q' plates will be kit cars (although if a kit car possesses the minimum type approved parts of a donor required to pass the legislation, it will be issued with an age-specific number to the donor vehicle).

Crashed cars, if rebuilt with OE specification parts will therefore not be given "Q" plates. If, however, the repairer decided to drop an Elise body on a VX chassis with an Audi engine, then that might well fail the test.

JJ

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

Finally, someone told me when a car is properly repaired on the UK, after a insurance write off, that it gets a new Reg Plate of Q****etc... so that any plate with a Q at the start is a Crash Repair. Does anyone know if this is true?

Sorry, but that was someone else again talking out of there arse at you!

AFAIK "Q" plates are issued only when a car does not meet required type approval requirements. In order to be issued with a standard reg. number, a vehicle must possess a minimum element of the original type approved parts from bodywork, chassis, engine etc. If not, it may require SVA testing. Therefore you'll find most 'Q' plates will be kit cars (although if a kit car possesses the minimum type approved parts of a donor required to pass the legislation, it will be issued with an age-specific number to the donor vehicle).

Crashed cars, if rebuilt with OE specification parts will therefore not be given "Q" plates. If, however, the repairer decided to drop an Elise body on a VX chassis with an Audi engine, then that might well fail the test.

JJ

knowlege.........

[finmix220]

Hey Guess What! The Crashed VX is back, is still in 36One Motors but it has a new price
the car has seemly jumped in value from €24K to €36,950
This guys is just hilarious, I mean have a look below -->

http://www.loadzacar.../details/933971

I have the VIN Check for this car if anyone is interested.
I suppose you have to give him credit, he's got brass

Edited by finmix220, 03 September 2007 - 09:17 PM.

[finmix220]

BTW, We are looking for Members for the Irish Club so any one with a VX / Speedster in Ireland, Log on to http://www.speedster.ie Cheers...

[darragh 361]

Hey Guess What! The Crashed VX is back, is still in 36One Motors but it has a new price
the car has seemly jumped in value from €24K to €36,950
This guys is just hilarious, I mean have a look below -->

http://www.loadzacar.../details/933971

I have the VIN Check for this car if anyone is interested.
I suppose you have to give him credit, he's got brass

We don't advertise on that site and we did not increase the price of the car. We did however sell the car to a mature adult who saw the car for what it was, got it independently checked out, and was happy to make a sensible offer which we accepted.He is very happy with the car since, as I was for over a year. I sold the car at a considerable loss but had my fun (even dealers lose on cars).

I did not buy the car in to make a profit as it replaced another fun car I owned. I took the car in as a trade in (part ex) on UK plates and it was obvious the car had had paint work (not particularly well done). I am a car enthusiast as well as a dealer and deciced to hold onto it for some fun. As an owner of the car I did some digging to try and find out to what extent it had been damaged. I learned it was Cat D (of no major relevance here in Ireland) but took it on the chin and learned the damage had mostly been cosmetic. I was happy with that as the car drove really well and seemed mechanically fine. Looking for a change I put the car up for sale, didn't respray the car nor cover the obvious fact it had been repaired. I in fact insisted that anyone genuine looking at the car had it checked out, which I would pay for if they went ahead and bought the car - can't be fairer?

As a seller (private or dealer) of a sports car you meet them all! Guys with no money looking for a spin, guys with money but looking for a pristine car (which mine was not) and guys that are 'DEFFO going to buy one', not yours of course because yours is overpriced, or has been crashed, painted, farted in, on a track, driven hard, on English plates, can be got in UK for half the price and on and on. These guys want a perfect car (preferably never driven! and are insulted when its not perfect and feel the need to tell the world) but can't afford one, want top money for their own balls of shite trade ins and need to tell everyone your'e an asshole cause you won't suffer fools. These are the nastiest kind. Some even slander your business and publically claim you are dealing in crashed repaired cars for a living. Nasty.

Its a pity because dealers like myself that do import some clean cars from the UK would import more specialized cars if it wasn't for these nasty time wasters. Ireland is a small place with very few VX's, all the dealers know each other, and any sellers will be warned of nasty 'Deffo going to buy one' types going around. 36One Motors, Dublin, Ireland.

PS You should read mister nasty's blog on speedster.ie - these supercar experts (his friend is also a 'Deffo') can even detect scratches on the bonnet of a car without driving it! Amazing skill. They keep us laughing.

Edited by Foxy, 16 October 2007 - 07:19 PM.

[james141]

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[darragh 361]

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