146 replies to this topic

[Wellus]

If i was you and i nearly got robbed. i would email Ebay and talk to the for advise to stop some one like yourself getting into your position. Ebay could ban or stop the auction. its obviously a fcuked up one.,. post his email and we wil all send him some abuse w4nk$er

[mainline]

BUY THE MANDARIN ONE! IT DESERVES TO GO TO A CLUB MEMBER AND YOU DESERVE THAT CAR! GO AND SEE IT NOW! HE MIGHT EVEN TAKE £8,000 FOR IT.

Edited by mainline, 17 March 2006 - 10:40 AM.

[paulb]

If i was you and i nearly got robbed. i would email Ebay and talk to the for advise to stop some one like yourself getting into your position. Ebay could ban or stop the auction. its obviously a fcuked up one.,.

post his email and we wil all send him some abuse

w4nk$er

I don't understand where this "nearly robbed" view comes from. It could be legit - there is no evidence to the contrary.

Someone said it is an '01 car and the plate proves it - but 51 runs from 01/09/01 to 28/02/02 so it could easily be an '02 year car. HPI may say different but we haven't seen that evidence. If it does show a different date, then you have proof the car is not as advertsed and should lodge with Ebay straight away.

If not, then he is probably just pissed off with another perceived timewaster who appears to bid and then try and get out of it.

[Wellus]

ok, but for some one to pay for the car and to pay for a HPI of the car. only to be told he cannot have the car professionally checkout, is a bit odd. It could be lagit, but it also could be another scammer trying to sell something dogy on Ebay. I admit i to would be pissed if i was the seller that the HPI check wants to be done out side of the auscion end time leaving me with doubt that the buy will buy it. But if i was selling the car and a check was being done to no expense of my own and i had listed the auction advert acordingly. There should be no problem should there? Nearly robbed was a bad word. this sounds dodgy sounds better

Edited by Wellus, 17 March 2006 - 11:10 AM.

[paulb]

Fair point, but as a seller, I would assume an inspection after the end of the auction would be to try and drive down the price. Think the moral story is bid on ebay with head not heart. If there isn't time to inspect the car before bidding, don't bid.

[Wellus]

Fair point, but as a seller, I would assume an inspection after the end of the auction would be to try and drive down the price.

Think the moral story is bid on ebay with head not heart. If there isn't time to inspect the car before bidding, don't bid.

exactly. and think to your self as to why would someone sell a 10 or 20 or even 50 thousand pound car on ebay anway?

actually who woudl buy one lol

Good luck in your search

[P444UL_R]

reply from him "origional clams no tub damage no photos inspection before auction ends"

[Wellus]

reply from him

"origional clams no tub damage no photos inspection before auction ends"

a bit short a sweet..

Think we should lay this to bed..

Bid at your own risk

[pirro]

The Mandarine VX sold a couple of weeks ago for 8200. I can't believe how many people are giving the seller the benefit of the doubt here! It's clearly not as advertised! If there is nothing to hide then why not allow an inspection? The fact that it costs £400 to get the inspection done can only indicate that the buyer is serious. Also, it is completely unreasonable to expect an inspection before bidding - who is going to spend £400 inspecting a car before they even bid on it? It merely invites the seller to get his mates to push the price up since the bidder has commited to either losing £400 or buying the car. Surely it was easier and quicker to allow inspection than it was to relist - clearly the car is not as advertised. I wouldn't do business with someone who gets his dad to talk to me or who gets shirty over such a reasonable request. Well done VX Beastie and good luck with your next purchase!

[rich_r]

For those interested, here is the HPI check of the VX in question:-

Obivously i've removed some details for security purposes




The car was once registered with the plate 'r88 gry'.

GP51 AOJ was on from 02/09/04

Edited by rich_r, 17 March 2006 - 12:02 PM.

[Wellus]

This is from the seller when i asked about a HPI inspection if i paid for it This message was sent while the listing was active. upjmotorsport is the seller. no problem but before auction ends ---------------------------------------------------------------- so it could be legit?

[robsrocket]

If something is to good to be true....It usually is! Lucky escape i recon. Keep saving and buy the one you really want not one you can afford right now!

[tangerine_sedge]

If the car is "not as advertised" when you arrive to pick it up you don't have to buy.

Internet advice is worth exactly what you pay for it, so with that in mind......

Have an RAC check done. If the check is OK buy the car. If the check shows any kind of mechanical fault, then say not as advertised and walk away.

If the owner does not let you do an RAC check, then I would consider this unreasonable, behaviour and would walk away. I would imagine that the seller will not bother chasing this through the courts, and just give you bad feedback on fleabay. Whatever you do, do not be intimidated into a sale by these people if you don't want to. It's much more effort for them to chase you for payment, than for you to buy a pig-in-the-poke.

I can imagine that the seller might have already had several people 'promise' to buy the car, but get cold feet at the last minute, so you could be the last straw. Also, he may not be available to 'hang' around waiting for an RAC man to see his car.

I know nothing about consumer law, so I suggest you talk to your local citizens advice bureau or these people :

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/

[LTW2]

Seller has put a couple of the questions up now. Says he is Ok with an RAC inspection as long as it is BEFORE the auction has ended. Sounds fair enough to me.

[mainline]

Sounds fair enough to me too. After all, if I was in his position, I wouldn't want to be endlessly relisting it because potential buyers were put off by the RAC man. Plus, what exactly will the RAC man know about a hand built, fibreglass, monocoque, rare, mid engined car anyway? Its not exactly a fiat punto is it.

[VIX]

I asked:

Can you please explain why this car has turbo lights all round if Cat D damage was only cosmetic? Any pictures before the repair? Bit concerned that feedback says you wouldn't allow an RAC inspection.

He said (sic):

lights ascar was supplied no pictures inspection no problem if before auction ends last buyer wanted ages to pay to arrange a loan

[tangerine_sedge]

Sounds fair enough to me too. After all, if I was in his position, I wouldn't want to be endlessly relisting it because potential buyers were put off by the RAC man. Plus, what exactly will the RAC man know about a hand built, fibreglass, monocoque, rare, mid engined car anyway? Its not exactly a fiat punto is it.

He'll know whether it's safe enough to pass it's MOT.

[pirro]

Never get an RAC inspection before you bid. You are commiting £400 to the car before you have even bought it. The seller knows this and can get his mates to bid you up because you don't want to have wasted the £400. The seller should expect an RAC AFTER the auction has ended and before payment. That's why this guy looks so dodgy. If he or his dad is in the motor trade, then they will know to take photos of the car before they repair it. If it wasn't them who repaired it, then it is unlikely they would have bought it without seeing photos. Again, he looks dodgy. According to VX Beastie, he only had to wait a week for payment, and the RAC inspection was to be 2 days before that. Does he really expect to close a new auction in such a timescale? No, of course not. Oh look, he looks dodgy again! Of course he may not be dodgy at all, but why bother taking the risk, and certainly paying for an RAC inspection before bidding is just plain nuts! EDIT: The car still has steering, a familiar Astra engine and gearbox, suspension etc, so it is well worth the inspection. Sure, the car has slightly unusual bodywork and is built differently to most cars, but most of the important inspection stuff is near enough the same for all road cars.

Edited by pirro, 17 March 2006 - 06:08 PM.

[AndyB]

VXBeastie. Under the circumstances of the phone call, I would be very warey. I understand people gabbing on about entering a contract, but it is no reason to end up spending nearly nine grand of your money on a bag of nuts. The worst that could happen in my oppinion is he would give you bad feedback on ebay, but you could also state the reason on there to. At the end of the day, i'm sure if the inspection guy did find one or two bits wrong which needed sorting, for £8,600 buying price, i'm sure you would probably still buy the car and brunt the cost of a few little bits, but if ... and I repeat 'if' he found a major problem which the seller was trying to hide, hoping to get shot quickly on ebay to someone non the wiser, then surely that won't be in his 'description'. Therefore you won't be breaking any ebay contract on undue terms. So, by asking for an RAC inspection, I wouldn't say that you are breaking any rules. It is no different than bringing a mechanic friend along to check it for you, which I believe most people do when buying privately anyway. I believe you are completely in your rights, and think that people on here who state otherwise are wrong. Just my opinion though

[AndyB]

Seller has put a couple of the questions up now.

Says he is Ok with an RAC inspection as long as it is BEFORE the auction has ended.

Sounds fair enough to me.

So would you be happy spending hundreds of pounds for an inspection on an auction that hasn't end, and which may end up being bid upto a high price, which could mean getting well outbid and losing out anyway?

I know I wouldn't. At the end of the day, he is selling a car, and those are one of those things which should entitle an inspection. Someone mentioned that an inspection shouldn't be expected if the seller didn't mention it. But did the seller mention that an inspection wasn't allowed??? Which way is the ball bouncing here?

Again, just my humble opinion