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[SAPD]

...a Land Rover pulled out onto the road in front of the VX, giving the VX plenty of space, the road is a 40 mph limit. The VX, instead of slowing down while the Land Rover got upto speed (apparently there was plenty of space for the Landy to pull out...

I think the initial speed of the VX is crucial here. If he was travelling over the 40mph limit, then the Land Rover may be excused for pulling out and impeding his progress as his perception of the oncoming VXs speed may have been skewed by the difference in his actual speed and the 40mph speed limit. I think it is safe to say, however, that we've all had retards pull out in front of us and forcing us to slam on the anchors. I'm not saying that's what happened here as Ash's relayed story from the scene tells us there was plenty of room for the Landy to pull out. And the VX driver obviously overtook with little, or no, consideration

As everyone else has said, I'm just glad all involved were OK

[Cookies220]

damn shame that. glad everone is ok though. If it was the vx drivers fault and it happend as described then its no wonder sports car drivers get the reputation they do and we have to pay stupid insurance premiums I'm all in favour of enjoying your driving but lets do it safely.

[ianrm]

Glad everyone survived without to many injuries Must admit the first thing I thought was how did they have a head on when there are double solid white lines in the road Even if the landy had pulled out I think I would rather hit the back of something travelling in the same direction ass me than swerve/pull out and hit something coming towards me 40mph + 40mph Ash, nice to hear the story of how pleased the medic was he carried out CPR and was successful, even though he got no thanks for it.

[P11 COV]

It strikes me that if you are ill enough to need CPR then you are unlikely to be in the right state of mind to say thank you or to be aware what else has gone on. I was in a big accident when I was 18 that I walked away from and had all sorts of conversations and yet I remember nothing of it...shock can have very odd effects on people.

[ianrm]

I appreciate that the guy may have been in shock and was unable to thank the Paramedics t the time but I'm sure he was told later what had been done for him.

[Richy]

If the story is true - and he did overtake on a double white lines - then im sorry but i have no sympathy for him. Its breaking the law big style and in my eyes it is worse than speeding - i've lost track of the amount of stories i've heard about bike riders [and car drivers] getting hit by people that have done the same dull move coming the otherway. They should throw the book at him - then pick it up and smack him around the face with it!! I also like the way everyone ''guess'' blamed the 106 driver for pulling out on the VX before knowing the facts [top bit of map drawing Tango]

[Ash]

Very good points by P11 COV and Ianrm, he was apparently very aware. But, having said that, I've never had shock or witnessed anyone with it, so yes, it may have been the shock, he got out the car on his own, then the shock set in which is when he collapsed and my mate/neices partner gave him CPR. Those of us at the party on Saturday when we were first shown the photo weren't planning on posting, in case the guy himself came on and gave his version of events. However, I felt I needed to clear the name of the 106 driver from the assumptions that were made. I must admit, if I saw my car in that state and had no recollection of what had happened, I think I'd have shock and would need alot of looking after.

[Richy]

IIRC [i've been told in the past] - if proved he was overtaking on double whites during the accident - his insurance is also void and they don't have to pay out, would anyone know if thats true?

[n1k_ns]

Woah, imagine if that was a 60 road no wonder they lowered the limit! Glad everyones ok

[Gouldy]

IIRC [i've been told in the past] - if proved he was overtaking on double whites during the accident - his insurance is also void and they don't have to pay out, would anyone know if thats true?

[pedant] If the vehicle you are passing is travelling at less than 10mph and it is safe to do so it is legal to cross a double white line to overtake [/pedant]

Clearly, that doesn't apply in this case.

Not sure about the insurance situation.

Edited by Gouldy, 27 August 2007 - 07:07 PM.

[jules_s]

To clear up a few things, my neices partner was one of the first on the scene and told myself and a couple of other VX'ers about the incident at a party on Saturday night.

It would appear that a Land Rover pulled out onto the road in front of the VX, giving the VX plenty of space, the road is a 40 mph limit. The VX, instead of slowing down while the Land Rover got upto speed (apparently there was plenty of space for the Landy to pull out), so the VX overtook the Landy, without much looking to see what was on-coming and slammed into the 106 which was coming the other way. No time for either driver to react when the VX pulled out, the 106 driver was practically passing the landrover in the opposite direction. No time to brake or avioid.

The chap I know gave the VX driver CPR, as he collapsed with shock, the VX driver apparently wasn't too bothered about the other people involved and didn't thank my neices partner for resusetating [sp] him.

So as far as I'm aware, and let me clear on this, I'm only relaying what was told to me by someone at the scene (the source of second image IIRC). The VX driver was going too fast, didn't look before attempting to overtake the Landy and slammed head on, into the 106.

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No offence Ash, but how did the people on the scene manage to come to such an 'accurate' description of what happened so quickly? Thats meant out of my curiousity, I'm not having a dig

From what I can see it was/could be deemed a 'head on' incident....but it would appear to be 'offside/offside' as opposed to full head on.....the cars have both spun to face each other?

so the VX overtook the Landy

To me that doesn't make sense.....if he had overtaken (or was overtaking) the landy I think it would have been a three vehicle accident?

I'm really just trying to think how I could have ended up in this situation, and all i can think of (and ive done it quite a few times) is that:-

a/. Landy pulls out without necessarily looking (we have been there at some point, im sure mine has an invisiblity cloak I'm not aware of)

b/. VX driver pulls out to have a 'look' and finds himself point blank with the offside of a Pug.

Before I get slated to death, I'm no RTA expert....I'm not claiming to be. What I have posted is just a point of view, and until the police issue an accident report (dave?) its just conjecture on my behalf.

With regard to the vx driver and the Pug driver and in particular the vx driver not thanking the bloke who did the CPR:-

I've no doubt whatsoever both drivers were in major shock (a mate of mine had a serious RTA a few years back, he cant remember 1 day before the crash and two weeks after. Granted he had some serious bone breakages though) so as said before, I doubt he was in a mental position to focus on thanking people.

However, I will happily thank your nieces partner on the VX drivers behalf

[n1k_ns]

b/. VX driver pulls out to have a 'look' and finds himself point blank with the offside of a Pug.

Could well be the case IMO

[willow]

Must admit the first thing I thought was how did they have a head on when there are double solid white lines in the road

In the news report the picture seems to show double white lines end almost where the car is sat....... does that mean that the possibility is that the vx went to overtake when the lines stopped and it was thrown back behind the lines? any crash experts able to say if a pug or a vx would be more likely to be pushed back in an almost head on?




dont think its really fair for us to speculate and comment on a crash like this if we dont know the full story (even if we are never likely to hear the full story) - there is no reason why an owner who is not a forumite would be any less or more responsible then someone who posts things on here.

all i can do is say its a reminder of just how fragile life can be sometimes, and how lucky we are to get through such awful situations

Edited by willow, 27 August 2007 - 08:11 PM.

[jules_s]

all i can do is say its a reminder of just how fragile life can be sometimes, and how lucky we are to get through such awful situations

Agreed.

And whilst I'm posting, can we please refrain from the 'glad everybody is ok' posts?

Given Ash's post the initial assessment was the 106 driver may be paralysed.

[TangoAlpha]

Given Ash's post the initial assessment was the 106 driver may be paralysed.

The intital assessment on the day was that the girl driving the 106 may be paralysed, thank god it would appear that she'll be OK and make a full recovery.

[jules_s]

Given Ash's post the initial assessment was the 106 driver may be paralysed.

The intital assessment on the day was that the girl driving the 106 may be paralysed, thank god it would appear that she'll be OK and make a full recovery.

Yes.

But given the lack of facts here 'may be' and 'appear' to be 'ok' posted on a forum is not enough for me to post a 'glad they are ok' comment.

Just my point of view, regardless of the outcome I hope all parties are in good health.

[Crimson_Killa]

There is this one for sale locally (Blue NA)...hope it wasnt out on a test drive.

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that has tan interior and from the looks of the pic abouve its black interior and looks like the last letter ir P and not E.

anyway hope all involved recover and this is resolved sucessfully

[Yellow_or_black?]

I should think the 'glad everyone is ok' comment is a more polite way of saying 'glad no-one died'? I don't think it pertains to the exact state of health of the individuals concerned...IMHO. Personally, I would hate to think that if I had a crash I would be the subject of such speculation - as to my driving, whether I was right or wrong, whether I would be covered by insurance or not, whether I said thank you or not, whether I asked about the other people involved or not... I should think the VX driver (I refer to them as opposed to the Pug driver, since the VX driver seems to be the focus of attention) has enough on their plate recovering, coping with any guilt if the crash was their fault, and wondering how on earth they are going to cope financially having just written off £nk - if they did nullify their insurance. 'Glad everyone is ok' is all that I would want written about me...

Edited by Yellow_or_black?, 27 August 2007 - 10:49 PM.

[Dave]

As you may know with my job I have been to dozens and dozens of RTC's. You get thanks when you turn. You you get abuse when you turn up. You get people who dont speak at all. You get people who cant stop talking. You get people who wander around. You get people who just sit at the side of the road. You get the point......everyone reacts differently in these situations...dont worry if you dont get any thanks for any help you offer.....you know you have done your best for them *** as a side coment my other local paper "The Echo" reports the RTC as Lotus Elise V Peaugot 106

[TurboTomato]

As you may know with my job I have been to dozens and dozens of RTC's.

You get thanks when you turn.

You you get abuse when you turn up.

You get people who dont speak at all.

You get people who cant stop talking.

You get people who wander around.

You get people who just sit at the side of the road.

You get the point......everyone reacts differently in these situations...dont worry if you dont get any thanks for any help you offer.....you know you have done your best for them

As far as I'm aware, overtaking on a double white line (if that was the case) doesn't invalidate your insurance.