83 replies to this topic

[JG]

So let's just summarise the unfolding of events.

You feel you need more front grip.
So you think a bit more un-sprung weight on the front will help
But maybe the additional tyre width will help anyway
Oh no! Now the wheels rub
I know! lets add a bit more weight, and some spacers!

You clearly come from the same school of thought as this inteligent young man.
http://www.106owners...ead.php?t=23076

To save you a bit of time, try page 14.

HTH

Edited by JG, 10 February 2010 - 10:05 AM.

[fiveoclock]

So let's just summarise the unfolding of events.

You feel you need more front grip.
So you think a bit more un-sprung weight on the front will help
But maybe the additional tyre width will help anyway
Oh no! Now the wheels rub
I know! lets add a bit more weight, and some spacers!

You clearly come from the same school of thought as this inteligent young man.
http://www.106owners...ead.php?t=23076

To save you a bit of time, try page 14.

HTH

Bit harsh comparing him to that dickwad, page 13 is the best.

[siztenboots]

says it all

[martinmulligan]

What a joke this site is becoming. I came on here for advice and not to be put down.. Why compare me to a 106 owner? You have made yourself look more like a dick and i'm sure you will find that a lot of other owners are thinking the same regarding the stupid comments you choose to put up. Its childish..

[martinmulligan]

says it all

<a href="http://www.youtube.c...?v=nqqZ28m8uCo" target="_blank">

It gets better..

[Paulus H]

You have had a bad experience with this thread. Try not to give up on this forum. There are lots of people who will try to help you - unfortunately this time they were not aware of your questions. As a community we should not ridicule people who post questions. For one thing if nothing else matters to the angry people, I would like to think we are trying to build a network that helps make our cars more desirable due to the help we can give each other. The reverse is if newcomers are treated with disrespect making our cars less desirable (valuable).

[martinmulligan]

<img src="http://www.vx220.org...IR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

So let's just summarise the unfolding of events.

You feel you need more front grip.
So you think a bit more un-sprung weight on the front will help <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
But maybe the additional tyre width will help anyway
Oh no! Now the wheels rub <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
I know! lets add a bit more weight, and some spacers! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bowdown.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="bowdown.gif" />

You clearly come from the same school of thought as this inteligent young man.
<a href="http://www.106owners...ad.php?t=23076" target="_blank">http://www.106owners...php?t=23076</a>

To save you a bit of time, try page 14.

HTH

I'm actally not as intelligent as him thats why i asked a simple question! And for a moderator i would tone it down a bit.
The weight difference between the 2 different wheel sizes is not that much and the difference is grip is a lot better. I will be using hubcentric spacers and can't see it being a massive difference to the original way the car drove.
I haven't insulted your intelligence in any way and can't wait to read your next insult

[martinmulligan]

You have had a bad experience with this thread.

Try not to give up on this forum. There are lots of people who will try to help you - unfortunately this time they were not aware of your questions.

As a community we should not ridicule people who post questions.

For one thing if nothing else matters to the angry people, I would like to think we are trying to build a network that helps make our cars more desirable due to the help we can give each other. The reverse is if newcomers are treated with disrespect making our cars less desirable (valuable).

Thanks Paul,
Had a few pm's off other members basically saying the same as you..
I'll refrain myself from going near sharp objects or high buildings for now!

[garyk220]

I have 7x16" front wheels and when I was running 205/50 front tyres the nearside tyre rubbed against the chassis on full lock. I fitted cheap 5mm spacers I had lying around in the garage to adjust the offset of the wheel slightly. As it was only 5mm, I could still use the centre spigot of the wheel bearing assembly to centre the wheel. Only issue was needing 2 pairs of hands to hold the spacer in place and mount the wheel. I'm running 195/50 A048R tyres now so have ditched the spacers, but managed fine with them, even competing in hillclimbs and sprints. Plenty have tried rear wheels on front with wider tyres. Mainly before the 16/17" wheel options were widely available. I can't recall everyone having to fit spacers (although they were using 205 tyres on the front) so you might get away with a small non hub-centric spacer?

Edited by garyk220, 12 February 2010 - 08:50 AM.

[JG]

Its for the very preservation of this site that we don't like to appeal to the type of person that started this thread. You see, had you come on here, and said, look chaps, I’ve got a bit of under-steer, any advice? I'm fairly sure the replies would have been useful and diverse. Instead, your post states with some conviction that you know exactly how to solve your problem, only you've created another. The first reply is not to your satisfaction, so you feel the need to rise to it and tell us how terrible this site has become. And yet its the likes of you that have made it the way it is! The quality of replies was never going to improve from then on in, was it? The answer to your problem is that you don't need rear wheels on the front. Under-steer can be completely eradicated on standard 175 section tyres with a semi aggressive geometry set-up. 16in 205 (or 195) section tyres is also a good solution to under-steer cure and often doesn't need the geometry change. Although it is hugely beneficial if you do, especially if you lower the car slightly. Spacers really aren't a good idea on a double wishbone setup as you put all sorts of stresses through elements of the suspension it wasn't designed for. And that is before you encounter all the nastiness of bump steer and tramlining. The only application where it would be useful to use spacers is where the wheel offset was not correct and you were bringing it back to original spec with the use of a spacer. Overall, and from experience, the rear wheels on the front ruins the lovely lightness of touch that makes the vx such a wonderful car to drive. That’s my view, and you are welcome and entitled to your own.

Edited by JG, 12 February 2010 - 10:37 AM.

[Retset]

I won't get into the 'politics' but I agree with JG on the facts: A good geo can get rid of most of the understeer. Adding some 195/205 tyres helps some more. Playing with spring rates helps more. Adding all these together and driving the car right ensures no understeer at all. IMHO adding 225 tyres to the front is not ideal. It will cure understeer and I fully believe you (in the dry at least). However, I find it hard to believe the car will retain the delicate handling balance that can be achieved with camber, spring rate etc. I am not technical enough to back this up ... feels right though.

[Yellow_or_black?]

http://www.106owners...ead.php?t=23076

Sweet Jesus I thought I was going to throw up at the two photos of similar cars on page 14. Bleurgh, I need a lie down

I didn't think there were that many people in the world with that little taste - I can't believe the appreciation/envy on that thread

Yes yes, each to their own yada...

[Paulus H]

JG, If the tone of your first post were similar to your last post, maybe the new VX owner would have taken some notice to your words. The easiest way to be ignored is to write sarcastic words. We all have the same car, let's all work together to improve the ownership experience.

[The Batman]

The easiest way to be ignore

is to click on your log in name at the top right hand corner, scroll down to manage ignored users and then post add new member to the list!

hope this helps

although if you reply to sarcasm with attitude then you will recieve more sarcasm as people know it gets to you (this is how it works at work between most trades anyway!)

i know JG and sizetenstilettos and they are good guys

sarcasm is a great part of this forum, you just have to learn to take aswell as give

Edited by joe_589, 13 February 2010 - 12:40 AM.

[JG]

awww thanks Joe and anyway whats wrong with a bit of sarcasm?

[The Batman]

sarcasm makes the world go round it would be boring if we wherent allowed to have a laugh!! thanks for the JG hug

[Zoobeef]

I can't believe the appreciation/envy on that thread

I couldn't believe it either. You see what he's doing and expect him to get slated and they all love it. They say it'll be a really well built car but it looks like a bodge job to me. How much money must of been wasted on that thing i dont know. Wonder if hes finished it yet

[Yellow_or_black?]

sizetenstilettos

Seems the Bobs have a challenger for the Mother Theresa title. Just teasing Paulus

I came to the conclusion a few days ago, that intelligent humour/sarcasm are wasted on here now. Every time I jovially tease haggi, I magically lose a star on my profile Apparently the only things that are funny to the new breed of children are You Tube videos And what's with people banging on about not coming on here anymore because of off-topic chat?

[Crabash]

I can't believe the appreciation/envy on that thread

I couldn't believe it either. You see what he's doing and expect him to get slated and they all love it. They say it'll be a really well built car but it looks like a bodge job to me. How much money must of been wasted on that thing i dont know. Wonder if hes finished it yet

Do you think he has any idea how far fore and aft the wheel will swing with that amount of positive offset? He will need to remove half his footwells to make room for them. When will people realise offsets are specific for a specific reasons.

[Paulus H]

OK, in simple terms... I was going to buy an Elise. Never considered the VX as an alternative. I posted a couple of questions on their forum. Sadly my innocent questions were met with sarcasm. I knew that my ownership experience would be much better if I could draw upon and contribute to an intelligent forum. The sarcastic Lotus forum was one of the main deal breakers from buying one of their cars. It made me think how small minded the Lotus forum guys were.... "I'll show how clever I am by making our cars less attractive to new buyers". Maybe alienating new members would be a good thing for VX owners. If we make ourselves less approachable then the value of our cars can be reduced, making it cheaper for us to buy new models...